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[olemars]

To be fair, most of the time the country appears like a lame joke too (or at least a cruel one).

[MaximumZero]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jonguns-exgirlfriend-executed-by-firing-squad-for-appearing-in-porn-films-8789322.html

Kim Jong-Un has a bunch of people, including his ex-girlfriend, executed for doing porn and carrying bibles. WTF?

[Aseaheru]

Oddly enough mutch of the world dislikes porn and/or christans.

The first is moral reasons, the second for our reputation.

[Guardian G.I.]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jonguns-exgirlfriend-executed-by-firing-squad-for-appearing-in-porn-films-8789322.html

Kim Jong-Un has a bunch of people, including his ex-girlfriend, executed for doing porn and carrying bibles. WTF?

I'll take this story with a grain of salt, like all the horror stories about North Korea.
The Western media used to portray the Soviet Union in almost the same way, minus the personality cult after the death of Stalin. They also cited Soviet defectors and dissidents and Sovietologists in order to prove their stories. The real Soviet Union wasn't that totalitarian and oppressive, though.
Now, the same Western media tells us about the horrors of North Korea... I don't think that their credibility has significantly improved since the USSR collapsed.

(please, don't kill me, guys)

[LordSlowpoke]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jonguns-exgirlfriend-executed-by-firing-squad-for-appearing-in-porn-films-8789322.html

Kim Jong-Un has a bunch of people, including his ex-girlfriend, executed for doing porn and carrying bibles. WTF?

I'll take this story with a grain of salt, like all the horror stories about North Korea.
Western media used to portray the Soviet Union in almost the same way, minus the personality cult after the death of Stalin. They also cited Soviet defectors and dissidents and Sovietologists in order to prove their stories. The real Soviet Union wasn't that totalitarian and oppressive, though.
Now, the same Western media tells us about the horrors of North Korea... I don't think that their credibility has significantly improved since the USSR collapsed.

(please, don't kill me, guys)

* LordSlowpoke pulls out a dagger.

Can we get some source on that...?

It's not for me, mind you. I acknowledge that most of the propaganda regarding the Soviet Union came from stories straight out of their client states, which were significantly worse than the country itself, but that's the sort of opinion that's going to be contested I think.

[Another]

Actually western client states of SU were relatively better of than most of SU itself excluding the capitals.

[Aseaheru]

Western mass media in general is a joke. So frankly I agree with GI.

[Sheb]

I wouldn't blanket-condemn the whole of Western media, but this particular article cite no source except from stories from one SK newpaper. Doesn't seem exactly trustworthy.

If King-Jong-Un's ex did make a sex tape with 11 others NK popstar... Well, pic or it didn't happen.

[Guardian G.I.]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jonguns-exgirlfriend-executed-by-firing-squad-for-appearing-in-porn-films-8789322.html

Kim Jong-Un has a bunch of people, including his ex-girlfriend, executed for doing porn and carrying bibles. WTF?

I'll take this story with a grain of salt, like all the horror stories about North Korea.
Western media used to portray the Soviet Union in almost the same way, minus the personality cult after the death of Stalin. They also cited Soviet defectors and dissidents and Sovietologists in order to prove their stories. The real Soviet Union wasn't that totalitarian and oppressive, though.
Now, the same Western media tells us about the horrors of North Korea... I don't think that their credibility has significantly improved since the USSR collapsed.

(please, don't kill me, guys)

* LordSlowpoke pulls out a dagger.

Can we get some source on that...?

It's not for me, mind you. I acknowledge that most of the propaganda regarding the Soviet Union came from stories straight out of their client states, which were significantly worse than the country itself, but that's the sort of opinion that's going to be contested I think.

Here's one example of American anti-Soviet propaganda: "What to Do When The Russians Come: A Survival Guide", written by Wikipedia's favourite expert on Stalin's political repressions, Robert Conquest.
Several parts of the book describe the life in socialist state (in this case, socialist USA). They present it in an overexaggerated negative view.

[Aseaheru]

Funny how half the things I just read in the last few seconds happen in america under a different guise.
Heck, most of them are due to facebook.

[Sheb]

Do you have parts that actually come from mainstream media rather than some obscure booklet?

[PatriotSaint]

G.I., just wondering, you're not actually trying to defend the USSR and/or North Korea are you?

As to horror stories from the USSR, lots of those come from former political prisoners/dissidents, East German refugees etc. etc.

As to horror stories from NK, lots of those come from former political prisoners/dissidents, refugees, etc. etc.

If neither of them are "really that totalitarian and oppressive", I don't understand why so many people tried and still do (when it comes to NK) and risk so much to escape, then proceed to say so much about it.

Just look up interviews with refugees, or a few documentaries featuring them.

[Aseaheru]

Patriot, people will always try to escape a nation, no mater what nation it is. Hell, some people are trying to escape the US!

[PatriotSaint]

Patriot, people will always try to escape a nation, no mater what nation it is. Hell, some people are trying to escape the US!

Right. What exactly is stopping them?

[Drakale]

Patriot, people will always try to escape a nation, no mater what nation it is. Hell, some people are trying to escape the US!

Right. What exactly is stopping them?

Canadian bear patrols.