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[misko27]

:S

I think people will strenuously disagree with your claim that the war is over.

Quickly, get a Korean Dictionary and prove me right. For the good of Korea.

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So what's Un been doing lately?

Building a beach.

[Slayerhero90]

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So what's Un been doing lately?

Building a beach.

Goddamnit. That is a waste of money that should be for food.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

:S

I think people will strenuously disagree with your claim that the war is over.

Wars most often involve mass organized violence perpetrated by governmental organizations and their armed forces. The state of conflict that exists between North and South Korea is no more a war than the one that existed between the US and USSR, and while it may have been called the Cold War the Cold part is far more telling as to the reality of the situation.

Every few years there's a small spurt of violence, but it goes nowhere. That's not enough to be a full-blown war.

The whole "The Korean War never really ended, you know!" thing is technical trivia. Anything that could be called warfare stopped before most people on Bay 12 were even born.

[Devling]

Anything that could be called warfare stopped before most people on Bay 12 were even born.

What about the Middle East? Tons of war there.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Anything that could be called warfare stopped before most people on Bay 12 were even born.

What about the Middle East? Tons of war there.

You know very well what I mean, Devling.

[Duuvian]

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So what's Un been doing lately?

Building a beach.

Goddamnit. That is a waste of money that should be for food.

I sort of agree, but my limited experience as a dictator via the Tropica games tells me tourism is actually quite lucrative over time, should you be able to attract Yanquis and other scum foreigners with money to your island peninsula.

[IronyOwl]

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So what's Un been doing lately?

Building a beach.

Goddamnit. That is a waste of money that should be for food.

I sort of agree, but my limited experience as a dictator via the Tropica games tells me tourism is actually quite lucrative over time, should you be able to attract Yanquis to your island peninsula.

Yeah, that's kind of the problem. Assuming he's doing it for money and not prestige or something, it's hard to say whether it's a worthwhile investment or a waste of resources or what. Certainly I don't see NK becoming a major tourist hub anytime soon, but that doesn't mean they can't use it to boost revenue.

I guess the real question is what they'll do with the money if it does pan out. Hopefully the answer isn't "more statues."

[Xantalos]

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So what's Un been doing lately?

Building a beach.

Goddamnit. That is a waste of money that should be for food.

I sort of agree, but my limited experience as a dictator via the Tropica games tells me tourism is actually quite lucrative over time, should you be able to attract Yanquis to your island peninsula.

Yeah, that's kind of the problem. Assuming he's doing it for money and not prestige or something, it's hard to say whether it's a worthwhile investment or a waste of resources or what. Certainly I don't see NK becoming a major tourist hub anytime soon, but that doesn't mean they can't use it to boost revenue.

I guess the real question is what they'll do with the money if it does pan out. Hopefully the answer isn't "more statues."

Probably more monuments instead.

[misko27]

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So what's Un been doing lately?

Building a beach.

Goddamnit. That is a waste of money that should be for food.

I sort of agree, but my limited experience as a dictator via the Tropica games tells me tourism is actually quite lucrative over time, should you be able to attract Yanquis to your island peninsula.

Yeah, that's kind of the problem. Assuming he's doing it for money and not prestige or something, it's hard to say whether it's a worthwhile investment or a waste of resources or what. Certainly I don't see NK becoming a major tourist hub anytime soon, but that doesn't mean they can't use it to boost revenue.

I guess the real question is what they'll do with the money if it does pan out. Hopefully the answer isn't "more statues."

Well you know the statue budget is running low...

[Sensei]

It isn't an armed hostile conflict if people aren't fucking dying.

Not necessarily! There is nothing in there about dying. They could both be like to really angry guys in a bar with guns being really angry at each other. But extended into 2 countries. That is a war. Websters, is always, right. The definition of conflict, I might remind you, is

A serious disagreement or argument, typically a protracted one

Websters, is always, right.

phoe·nix

Fuck that shit. We'll spell if Pheonix if we want to.

That said, a state of war exists in that a war was formally started and never declared ended. I'd say that the argument it's an "armed conflict" is pushing it though- everyone knows that "armed conflict" or "hostilities" is just a euphemism for violence (whether or not websters thought to specify that), which isn't really occurring. To extend to the armed-men-arguing-in-a-bar analogy, I'd say it doesn't count as "armed conflict" in the way anyone every used the term "armed conflict" unless at least one of them fired a their weapon, or ideally both. The notion that people have to be fucking dying doesn't hold in the small scale analogy but if two countries have people shooting at eachother and nobody's dying, something weird is going on.

[Another]

A relevant bit of trivia is that there is still no peace agreement between Japan and Russia.

Can we say that a war with an official cease fire in effect is in a paused state and so is not currently in a state of war even if technically the same old war could be resumed at some point in the future?

That in turn would be complicated again by NK declaring their cease of fire void at several occasions.

[Owlbread]

Anything that could be called warfare stopped before most people on Bay 12 were even born.

If you have a narrow-minded, white, European or American centric view of the world then sure.

The definition of an armistice is usually: "a temporary cessation of hostilities, by agreement between the belligerents, prior to the negotiation or signing of a peace treaty." No peace treaty has been signed, rather the war has just been paused. It has never actually "ended".

[Loud Whispers]

Can we say that a war with an official cease fire in effect is in a paused state and so is not currently in a state of war even if technically the same old war could be resumed at some point in the future?

Do Japan and Russia have the world's most militarized border?
Have they stopped killing each other?
Have they stopped preparing for more fighting?

[Aseaheru]

I think japan had its government replaced since then.

[Osmosis Jones]

Fun fact on the whole Japan - Russia thing; the governments both long ago hashed out a deal so that Russia gets the Northen half of the island chain, Japan the Southern, and everyone was happy. Then they tried to sign it in to effect, and the hardcore ultranationalists (of which both countries have tons) kicked up a huge stink.

There's no actual bitterness between the two, if the number of Russians at my workplace is anything to go by.