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[Mictlantecuhtli]

Needs more AI who stand in one spot with looping dialogue and sex scenes to be salvageable, get to it Square Enix.

[nenjin]

If they left out everything you can disable, you'd have a lot of people who would be complaining its too hard.

Oh I know that's a market reality. But often these things aren't necessarily the problem (glowing objectives, hard coded rope arrow points, ect...) it's the degree to which they're done, or how they're done. (Obnoxiously bright, boringly and shallowly implemented.)

I mean if you want to be really cynical, allowing these things to be toggled off is a tactical move to eke a few more sales out of people that otherwise wouldn't have touched it. And in truth, that's sort of how I feel about turning off parts of games sometimes. A game fully featured is the game a dev envisioned, I like to think. When bits and pieces of it are sliced off to accommodate people's preferences or needs, it may make the game playable. But you're not really getting the full experience, for better or worse. It's a gray scale from disabling HUDs to turning off major gameplay elements. I don't think it's always a good thing when that's what a game has to end up doing it to please as many people as possible.

When it comes to touchstone gaming landmarks, it's probably inevitable. But every once in a while you do wish someone would just....knock it out of the park. Instead of what we're arriving at more often, which is games with compromised loyalties and visions. Options aren't bad, but when it's handled wrong (like most of the game is built around features that, when turned off, make little sense or are balanced poorly), they can be.

I guess it's hard to respect a developer's intent when they reboot a classic game and make modern changes to the formula, harder than just dismissing it as a required fad for AAA gaming.

[thegoatgod_pan]

If they left out everything you can disable, you'd have a lot of people who would be complaining its too hard.

See, I don't know if I can believe that.

 I look at the success of Dark Souls, I look at the legacy of Nintendo (and "Nintendo hard") and I just don't believe this to be true. When a game is fun but hard, people look at it as a challenge, brag about successes etc etc. No one ever complains a game is hard. People complain a game is broken, unbalanced etc. "Hard" is almost never pejorative in gaming culture.

[Neonivek]

The difference however is what market they were going for.

I HIGHLY doubt Demon souls was going for the casual market (and honestly I am glad Demon Souls proved that the casual market isn't full of "eww difficulty?" gamers) they were likely filling in the gap gamers filled.

Yet Thief? It probably was going for the Casual Market.

Ultimately what I mean is... Anytime a game seems to be going for mass market appeal expect lowest common denominator gameplay.

[miljan]

If there was a casual option in demo souls the game would be even better.

More options the game has the better, no matter what type of game it is.

Thief can be casual or hardcore to the bone, and that is what every game should do, give as much as possible options to people

[Sindain]

If they left out everything you can disable, you'd have a lot of people who would be complaining its too hard.

See, I don't know if I can believe that.

 I look at the success of Dark Souls, I look at the legacy of Nintendo (and "Nintendo hard") and I just don't believe this to be true. When a game is fun but hard, people look at it as a challenge, brag about successes etc etc. No one ever complains a game is hard. People complain a game is broken, unbalanced etc. "Hard" is almost never pejorative in gaming culture.

But, a lot of people DO complain that Dark Souls is too hard.
Sure, they never use that specific phrasing but you get the things like "artificial difficulty" or "too steep learning curve" or "no clear instructions" tossed around all the time at Dark souls!

[Drakale]

My main complaint with the game so far is the sound system. For some reason it seem that walls do not muffle NPC speech much at all, and it's sometime really confusing when you can hear someone mumbling right behind you but he turn out to be not close at all.

Loot also seem to be all over the place, even the poorest slum seem to stock ample supplies of golden goblets and precious trinkets, even in plain sight. To be frank I don't quite remember if the original games also did this, might be a legacy thing.

[Dutchling]

So I saw this game on Steam and was wondering if-

Oh.

Never mind then.

[Aklyon]

So I saw this game on Steam and was wondering if-

Oh.

Never mind then.

Do you want stealth, a ridiculous amount of options, and a lot of argument over how they supposedly wasted time with all of those options? We've got all of that right here.

[timferius]

This seems like a game who's enjoyment can only be judged by playing... opinions are starting to seem rather polarized at this point.

[nenjin]

This seems like a game who's enjoyment can only be judged by playing... opinions are starting to seem rather polarized at this point.

I dunno, I think you can read between the lines. But for me, it's just not worth gambling that a $40 or $50 game is going to be good, or is going to piss you off.

If someone had never played Thief before, I might be ok saying "sure, try it, why not." But for someone who has played Thief, and adored it, I'm not sure I can in good conscious recommend they pay full-price for it.

[timferius]

This seems like a game who's enjoyment can only be judged by playing... opinions are starting to seem rather polarized at this point.

I dunno, I think you can read between the lines. But for me, it's just not worth gambling that a $40 or $50 game is going to be good, or is going to piss you off.

If someone had never played Thief before, I might be ok saying "sure, try it, why not." But for someone who has played Thief, and adored it, I'm not sure I can in good conscious recommend they pay full-price for it.

No, I'll definitely end up waiting for a good price drop.

[Moogie]

I find myself asking this question again, now that the game has been released and we can judge it first hand: Why exactly did they need the new voice actor, again?

I know the reason they gave: the mo-cap and lip sync. EA is apparently very proud of their new tech. But there's a problem with that: the faces, facial expressions and lip syncing look absolutely awful.

So I'm just confused by it, more than anything. They really could have stuck with Russell and suffered no loss in visual quality. Perplexing!

[BladeOfDarkmoon]

I am curious as to what game destroying modernisation they are going to introduce to this game.

Or what silly modern aspects they are going to add... Like Combo attacks or a regenerating health bar.

Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. the 'modernization' is described best by what the same company did with Tomb Raider. In the latest tomb raider Lara croft vomits after killing her first enemy. way better. in Thief they took out the sword. the original thief was written to show off their swordplay. check on that if you dont believe me.

[BladeOfDarkmoon]

If there was a casual option in demo souls the game would be even better.

More options the game has the better, no matter what type of game it is.

Thief can be casual or hardcore to the bone, and that is what every game should do, give as much as possible options to people

If they left out everything you can disable, you'd have a lot of people who would be complaining its too hard.

See, I don't know if I can believe that.

 I look at the success of Dark Souls, I look at the legacy of Nintendo (and "Nintendo hard") and I just don't believe this to be true. When a game is fun but hard, people look at it as a challenge, brag about successes etc etc. No one ever complains a game is hard. People complain a game is broken, unbalanced etc. "Hard" is almost never pejorative in gaming culture.

But, a lot of people DO complain that Dark Souls is too hard.
Sure, they never use that specific phrasing but you get the things like "artificial difficulty" or "too steep learning curve" or "no clear instructions" tossed around all the time at Dark souls!

Personally when someone complains Darksouls is too hard i recommend them to view a 180minute speed run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owRa6kcHkN0  or if you really want to make fun of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ymysN3qQ8 which is a 90minute speed run