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[Frumple]

The latest version is only precompiled with graphics and I want it both ways.

There's a option menu. In the option menu is a graphics dropdown. If by want it both ways you mean you want to be able to swap to ASCII. That's the "none" option.

[Lectorog]

ffffffffffffff. Thank you. Works.

[Frumple]

Huh. Got the version from here? Or here, I guess.

Anyway, in your main folder there should be a angband.ini. Should be a graphics=X in there. 0 is ASCII, 1-5 is varying built in tilesets.

E: Ah, edit while I was typing, Nevermind.

[Lectorog]

Yeah. Unfortunately, the incredible foolishness carries on into the game. I go around eating and drinking unidentified substances and attacking everything in sight. There's only one best way to learn.

[Cthulhu]

You learn faster by surviving.  If you're not sure about a monster, look it up.  Remember that you can sell an item to identify it.  This is good with scrolls and wands, not so much with rods and saves, and especially not with weapons and armor unless you suspect they're cursed (a shopkeeper won't buy useless items unless they're unidentified).

Do not sell-identify items on a level with a good feeling.  Good Angbanders only sell a potion of augmentation once.

EDIT:  I have a question of my own, for those among us with more experience than I.  I'm finding my inventory space highly circumscribed.  I have a rod of recall which helps but I'm afraid of getting it zapped and being stuck out of depth so I have scrolls as well.  Any inventory management tips?

[Lectorog]

The potion of see invisible is a curse. Cannot unsee. Clear worm masses. Everywhere. All over. Death by poison.

[freeformschooler]

Is there any way to prevent an item from being destroyed at all in Zang or original Angband? Like say I have a really nice rod.

[Cthulhu]

Spoiler: Oh nooooo! (click to show/hide)

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[Angband 3.2.0 Character Dump]

 Name   Squid                                    Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Sex    Male         Age             14   Str! 18/100  +2  +5  +2 18/190 18/120
 Race   Half-Orc     Height          66   INT:      8  -1  -2  -5      3
 Class  Warrior      Weight         151   WIS:     12  +0  -2  -5      5
 Title  Commando     Social       Liked   DEX:     18  +0  +2  +8 18/100
 HP     -5/559       Maximize         Y   CON:  18/64  +1  +2  +2 18/114
 SP     0/0                               CHR:     14  -4  -1  +2     11

 Level               34   Armor    [49,+71]     Saving Throw         49%
 Cur Exp         309285   Fight   (+25,+23)     Stealth        Very Good
 Max Exp         322334   Melee   (+37,+35)     Fighting       Legendary
 Adv Exp         385000   Shoot   (+37,+15)     Shooting          Heroic
 MaxDepth   2050' (L41)   Blows    3.7/turn     Disarming            59%
 Game Turns     1004502   Shots      1/turn     Magic Device          38
 Standard Turns  108984   Infra       30 ft     Perception       1 in 46
 Resting Turns     3145   Speed           3     Searching             9%
 Gold             67965   Burden  163.4 lbs

 Your father was an Orc, but it is unacknowledged. You are the adopted
 child of a Townsman.  You are a credit to the family.  You have brown
 eyes, straight black hair, and a very dark complexion.


rAcid:......+...... rConf:.............
rElec:.+........... Sound:.............
rFire:.+........... Shard:......+......
rCold:.+......+.... Nexus:...........+.
rPois:............. Nethr:.............
rFear:.........+..+ Chaos:.............
rLite:............. Disen:.............
rDark:............+ S.Dig:.............
rBlnd:............. Feath:+..........+.

Light:............. Aggrv:.........+...
Regen:.+........... Stea.:+......+.....
  ESP:............. Sear.:....+....+...
Invis:+........+... Infra:............+
FrAct:......+..+... Tunn.:.............
HLife:............. Speed:......+......
ImpHP:............. Blows:.............
ImpSP:............. Shots:.............
 Fear:............. Might:.+...........


  [Last Messages]

> It hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> It hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> It screams the word 'DIE!'
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> You have been given a nasty cut.
> It hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> It hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> It hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> It hits you.
> You die.

Killed by a Berserker.

  [Character Equipment]

a) The Long Sword 'Elvagil' (2d5) (+12,+12) (+2)
     Dropped by a Balance drake at 1950 feet (level 39).
     
     +2 dexterity, charisma, stealth.
     Slays orcs, trolls.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Feather Falling.  Grants the ability to see invisible things. 
     
     Combat info:
     3.7 blows/round.
     With an additional 2 strength and 0 dex you would get 4.0 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 4.1 blows
     Average damage/round: 206.4 vs. orcs, 206.4 vs. trolls, and 158.3
     vs. others.
     
b) The Short Bow of Amrod (x4) (+12,+15) (+2)
     Dropped by Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman at 1350 feet (level 27).
     
     +2 strength, constitution, shooting power.
     Provides resistance to lightning, fire, cold.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Speeds regeneration. 
     
c) a Ring of Dexterity (+3)
     Dropped by a Mature bronze dragon at 1750 feet (level 35).
     
     +3 dexterity.
     Sustains dexterity.
     
d) a Ring of Protection [+11]
     Dropped by a Paladin at 1500 feet (level 30).
     
     
     
e) an Amulet of Searching (+4)
     Found lying on the floor at 1350 feet (level 27).
     
     +20% to searching.
     
f) The Phial of Galadriel
     Dropped by Beorn, the Shape-Changer at 1650 feet (level 33).
     
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     When activated, it lights up the surrounding area, hurting
     light-sensitive creatures.
     Takes 14 to 26 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 91.4%
     
     Radius 3 light.
g) The Leather Scale Mail 'Thalkettoth' (-1) [20,+25] (+3)
     Found lying on the floor at 1750 feet (level 35).
     
     +3 dexterity, speed.
     Provides resistance to acid, shards.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Prevents paralysis. 
     
h) a Cloak of Stealth [1,+7] (+3 stealth)
     Found lying on the floor at 1400 feet (level 28).
     
     +3 stealth.
     
i) a Large Metal Shield of Resist Cold [12,+8]
     Found lying on the floor at 1600 feet (level 32).
     
     Provides resistance to cold.
     Cannot be harmed by cold.
     
j) The Iron Helm of Gorlim (+8,+8) [7,+10] (-5) {cursed}
     Found lying on the floor at 1200 feet (level 24).
     
     Heavily cursed.
     -5 intelligence, wisdom.
     -25% to searching.
     Provides resistance to fear.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Prevents paralysis.  Grants the ability to see invisible things.
     Aggravates creatures nearby. 
     
k) a Set of Caestus of Slaying (+5,+7) [5,+1]
     Dropped by an Ogre at 1750 feet (level 35).
     
     
     
l) a Pair of Iron Shod Boots of Stability [4,+3]
     Found lying on the floor at 1750 feet (level 35).
     
     Provides resistance to nexus.
     Feather Falling. 
     


  [Character Quiver]

n) 2 Arrows of Wounding (1d4) (+8,+8)
     Dropped by a Hill orc at 500 feet (level 10).
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 140 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 106.1.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
o) 13 Arrows (1d4) (+0,+0)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 140 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 72.1.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
p) 15 Arrows (1d4) (+4,+3)
     Dropped by a White wraith at 1500 feet (level 30).
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 140 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 84.4.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
q) 15 Arrows of Frost (1d4) (+6,+8)
     Bought from a store.
     
     Branded with frost.
     Cannot be harmed by cold.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 140 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 183.8 vs. creatures not resistant to cold,
     and 105 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
r) (nothing)
s) (nothing)
t) (nothing)
u) (nothing)
v) (nothing)
w) (nothing)


  [Character Inventory]

a) 28 Potions of Cure Serious Wounds
     
b) 5 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
     
c) 3 Potions of Restore Life Levels
     
     
d) a Potion of Enlightenment
     Dropped by a Crystal drake at 1950 feet (level 39).
     
     
     
e) 4 Potions of Heroism
     
     
f) 12 Potions of Resist Heat
     
     
g) 7 Scrolls of Phase Door
     
     
h) 26 Scrolls of Satisfy Hunger
     
     
i) 4 Scrolls of Identify
     
     
j) 10 Scrolls of Word of Recall
     
     
k) 4 Scrolls of Blessing
     
     
l) 3 Rods of Treasure Location
     
     
m) 2 Rods of Door/Stair Location
     
     
n) 3 Rods of Trap Location
     
     
o) 4 Rods of Frost Bolts
     
     
p) a Rod of Fire Balls (charging)
     Found lying on the floor at 1200 feet (level 24).
     
     
     
q) a Rod of Recall (charging)
     Dropped by a Young white dragon at 1800 feet (level 36).
     
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
r) 5 Staves of Detect Evil (76 charges)
     
s) a Steel Helm [9,+6]
     Dropped by a Vrock at 2050 feet (level 41).
     
     
     
t) The Rapier 'Forasgil' (1d6) (+12,+19)
     Dropped by a Frost giant at 1650 feet (level 33).
     
     Slays animals.
     Branded with frost.
     Provides resistance to cold, light.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     Combat info:
     4.5 blows/round.
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 4.7 blows
     Average damage/round: 229.7 vs. animals, 246.5 vs. creatures not
     resistant to cold, and 212.9 vs. others.
     
     Radius 1 light.


  [Home Inventory]

a) a Staff of Earthquakes (0 charges)
     Dropped by an Ancient red dragon at 1850 feet (level 37).
     
     
     
b) 2 Staves of Detect Evil (0 charges)
     
     
c) 3 Staves of Mapping (0 charges)
     
     
d) a Staff of Curing (0 charges)
     Found lying on the floor at 1750 feet (level 35).
     
     
     
e) 2 Staves of Teleportation (0 charges)
     
     
f) 2 Staves of Identify (0 charges)
     
     
g) The Set of Gauntlets 'Paurhach' [3,+14]
     Found lying on the floor at 1800 feet (level 36).
     
     Provides resistance to fire.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Speeds regeneration. 
     
     When aimed, it creates a fire bolt with damage 9d8.
     Takes 11 to 20 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 91.9%
     
h) The Pair of Leather Boots of Wormtongue (-1,-1) [2,+0] (+3) {cursed}
     Found lying on the floor at 1950 feet (level 39).
     
     Cursed.
     +3 intelligence, dexterity, stealth, speed.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Feather Falling. 
     
     When activated, it teleports you randomly up to 10 squares away.
     Takes 26 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 90.6%
     
i) The Bastard Sword 'Calris' (5d4) (-20,+20) (+5) {cursed}
     Dropped by a Forest troll at 1400 feet (level 28).
     
     Heavily cursed.
     +5 constitution.
     Slays evil creatures, demons, trolls.
     *Slays* dragons.
     Provides resistance to disenchantment.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Aggravates creatures nearby. 
     
     Combat info:
     3.0 blows/round.
     With an additional 3 strength and 0 dex you would get 3.3 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 3.3 blows
     Average damage/round: 213 vs. evil creatures, 252.7 vs. demons,
     252.7 vs. trolls, 332.3 vs. dragons, and 173.3 vs. others.
     
j) a Trident (Defender) (1d10) (+10,+11) [+6] (+2 stealth)
     Found lying on the floor at 1250 feet (level 25).
     
     +2 stealth.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Sustains strength.
     Feather Falling.  Speeds regeneration.  Prevents paralysis.
     Grants the ability to see invisible things. 
     
     Combat info:
     4.3 blows/round.
     With an additional 2 strength and 0 dex you would get 4.5 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 4.5 blows
     Average damage/round: 176.2.
     
k) a Long Bow (x3) (+1,+2)
     Bought from a store.
     
     
     


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                   CHAR.
|   TURN  | DEPTH |LEVEL| EVENT
============================================================
         1      0'    1   Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
      6092     50'    2   Reached level 2
     10298    150'    3   Reached level 3
     13374    150'    4   Reached level 4
     19001    300'    5   Reached level 5
     22042    250'    5   Killed Grip, Farmer Maggot's dog
     22404    250'    6   Reached level 6
     22648    250'    7   Reached level 7
     23306    250'    8   Reached level 8
     40633    300'    9   Reached level 9
     50431    400'   10   Reached level 10
     52197    400'   11   Reached level 11
     63758    200'   11   Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's dog
     85484    350'   11   Killed Lagduf, the Snaga
     85484    350'   12   Reached level 12
    104455    400'   13   Reached level 13
    108705    400'   13   Killed Mughash the Kobold Lord
    109066    400'   14   Reached level 14
    131328    450'   15   Reached level 15
    135510    500'   15   Killed Grishnakh, the Hill Orc
    141543    500'   16   Reached level 16
    158209    700'   17   Reached level 17
    180485    700'   18   Reached level 18
    208423    750'   18   Killed Smeagol
    216464    800'   19   Reached level 19
    222604    850'   20   Reached level 20
    236482    900'   21   Reached level 21
    261033   1000'   22   Reached level 22
    275346   1100'   22   Killed Ulfast, Son of Ulfang
    291129      0'   22   Killed Farmer Maggot
    311143   1150'   23   Reached level 23
    337016   1150'   24   Reached level 24
    338597   1150'   24   Killed Lugdush, the Uruk
    364880   1200'   25   Reached level 25
    367767   1200'   25   Found The Iron Helm of Gorlim
    376662      0'   25   Reached level 25
    399549   1250'   25   Reached level 25
    400495   1250'   25   Killed Ufthak of Cirith Ungol
    416460   1250'   25   Killed Nar, the Dwarf
    448042   1350'   25   Killed Bullroarer the Hobbit
    455530   1350'   25   Killed Brodda, the Easterling
    456167   1350'   26   Reached level 26
    458657   1350'   26   Killed Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman
    458787   1350'   26   Found The Short Bow of Amrod
    492735   1350'   27   Reached level 27
    505640   1400'   27   Reached level 27
    507821   1400'   27   Reached level 27
    511223   1400'   27   Found The Bastard Sword 'Calris'
    527982   1500'   27   Killed Ulwarth, Son of Ulfang
    539712   1500'   27   Killed Boldor, King of the Yeeks
    548258   1500'   28   Reached level 28
    566572   1650'   28   Killed Ugluk, the Uruk
    573711   1650'   29   Reached level 29
    589106   1650'   29   Found The Rapier 'Forasgil'
    594438   1700'   29   Killed Khim, Son of Mim
    594535   1700'   29   Killed Azog, King of the Uruk-Hai
    631879   1650'   29   Killed Gorbag, the Orc Captain
    636809   1650'   30   Reached level 30
    661535   1700'   31   Reached level 31
    667372   1650'   31   Killed Beorn, the Shape-Changer
    667842   1650'   31   Found The Phial of Galadriel
    683905   1650'   31   Killed Sangahyando of Umbar
    684510   1650'   31   Killed Ibun, Son of Mim
    687248   1650'   31   Killed The Queen Ant
    701894   1650'   31   Killed Orfax, Son of Boldor
    726236   1750'   31   Found The Leather Scale Mail 'Thalkettoth'
    740523   1700'   31   Killed Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain
    745627   1700'   32   Reached level 32
    745919   1700'   32   Killed Waldern, King of Water
    754168   1700'   32   Killed Bert the Stone Troll
    758229   1750'   32   Killed Shagrat, the Orc Captain
    799837   1950'   32   Found The Pair of Leather Boots of Wormtongue
    800745   2000'   33   Reached level 33
    804924      0'   33   Reached level 33
    832169    400'   33   Killed Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief
    900449   1450'   33   Killed Uldor the Accursed
    938309   1700'   33   Killed Angamaite of Umbar
    953942   1800'   33   Found The Set of Gauntlets 'Paurhach'
    991621   1950'   33   Found The Long Sword 'Elvagil'
    999331   2050'   34   Reached level 34


  [Options]

Maximize effect of race/class bonuses        : yes (adult_maximize)
Randomize the artifacts (except a few)       : no  (adult_randarts)
Restrict the use of stairs/recall            : no  (adult_ironman)
Restrict the use of stores/home              : no  (adult_no_stores)
Restrict creation of artifacts               : no  (adult_no_artifacts)
Don't stack objects on the floor             : no  (adult_no_stacking)
Lose artifacts when leaving level            : no  (adult_no_preserve)
Don't generate connected stairs              : no  (adult_no_stairs)
Don't show level feelings                    : no  (adult_no_feelings)
Items always sell for 0 gold                 : no  (adult_no_selling)
Adult: Monsters chase current location       : yes (adult_ai_sound)
Adult: Monsters chase recent locations       : yes (adult_ai_smell)
Adult: Monsters act smarter in groups        : yes (adult_ai_packs)
Adult: Monsters learn from their mistakes    : no  (adult_ai_learn)
Adult: Monsters exploit players weaknesses   : no  (adult_ai_cheat)
Adult: Monsters behave more intelligently (broken): no  (adult_ai_smart)
Score: Peek into object creation             : no  (score_peek)
Score: Peek into monster creation            : no  (score_hear)
Score: Peek into dungeon creation            : no  (score_room)
Score: Peek into something else              : no  (score_xtra)
Score: Know complete monster info            : no  (score_know)
Score: Allow player to avoid death           : no  (score_live)


You did good, buddy.  Sleep well.

A patriarch did me in, summoned a berserker and a pack of dreads which followed me around while I desperately tried to recall.  I'm honestly not that beat up about it, not nearly as beat up as I thought I'd be.  He made it much much farther than any of my previous characters; I basically learned how to play Angband with him.  Now that I know, I can avoid his mistakes and make it further this time.  Probably with a magic-capable character like a ranger.

Among my mistakes (So you can learn):

If it doesn't significantly benefit you (through loot, xp, or survival), don't bother.  If the drawbacks outweigh the benefits, don't bother.  This means gear damage, stat drain you can't afford, etc.
Killdudes is not a viable strategy in Angband. 
Don't use Gorlim.
Angband is long as fuck, so Crawl and Nethack speedrun tips apply to regular Angband runs.  By minimizing turncount, you can afford to take greater risks.
Have a variety of reliable detection abilities.  Traps, treasure, doors/stairs, and monsters.  Know what you're up against before you go up against it, and don't be afraid to leave a floor if it doesn't look worth the effort/risk.  Probably shouldn't have preserve mode on unless you're dead set on it.

[freeformschooler]

YASD: Level 20 warrior lady with Longsword of Extra Attacks and all kind of resists. My faults: underestimating a unique, letting myself get surrounded by armor-eating ochre jellies, running out of teleport/phase scrolls.

[Robsoie]

my level 19 barbarian met some life threatening situations on DL 11 or 12 , caught by many spectral phantoms i got from summoning monster scroll (stupidly right clicked -> Read the wrong scroll without paying enough attention as all i wanted was to use the "Treasure Detection" one instead)

Those things can go through walls (nullifying my move back into corridor tactic to control the fight) and attack from there, similarly to Dreads in ToME4, though they're visible they still hit much harder than any monster i met up to the current DL i am in.

It's time like these you're -very- happy to have some phase door scroll along your recall one (as stairs to regenerate the level and get rid of that threat was too far away).

Next time i'll get rid of those silly monster summon scroll i was keeping for .. i don't ever remember the reason .. (as no shops buy them)

In other new, i really need to invest in ranged weapons, Smeagol and Wormtongue demonstrated to me why : not because they're strong (my character is stronger) but because they teleport away just after touching you (and stealing lot of gold by the way), making them extremely annoying .

Smeagol even more annoying as he's invisible (so you need detect invisible or infravision potions) and is -much faster- than you, and seemed to dodge every attempt at shooting him with my wand of magic missile (what Wormtongue couldn't do).

Still not found any item giving me "free action", annoying as diving lower could mean game over with the many paralyse monsters and how stronger they're hitting

[freeformschooler]

For early game free action, I've seen it several times at the black market. Not sure when/how the shops restock, though.

[Cthulhu]

Don't quote me on this, but I've heard that paralyze isn't quite as nasty as it used to be, and you can survive diving past 20 without free action if you're careful.

If you have detect monster it should be especially easy.  The biggest thing to worry about paralysis-wise at D20 is carrion crawlers.  Just don't go anywhere near them and you're fine.

[Cthulhu]

I don't know anything about UnAngband, sorry dude.  Thinking about trying some variants though, especially ToME3 now that I know more about Bands and roguelikes in general.  I hadn't even beaten nethack back when I played ToME.

In other news, my high elf warrior is looking pretty good.  Found Kelen's Grimoire and sold it for 30k since I ain't got no magic.  That's a big boost, so I'm going on a shopping spree.

EDIT:  Another tip, don't fuck with umber hulks if you're not immune to confuse and can't kill it in one turn.  It will confuse you every time it acts, so curing is useless. 

[Robsoie]

I just killed Robin Hood !
Hunted him down several time as the damn thing steal and teleported away a few times.

Between that, the Ewoks , the Nimbelungs and etc... i guess ZangbandTK may have even less to do with Tolkien's world than vanilla.

While climbing up (wanted to spare a recall scroll), i killed Smeagol accidentally by running into him without even trying to fight the guy, funny because when i was seriously trying to kill him in a previous dive when using multiple detect invisible scroll and shooting with my wand of magic missiles, i was unable to land a single hit and he always teleported away.

I guess luck still play a huge part in this

And once i reached DL : 1 and got ready to find the exit to the surface i ran into a The Greater hell-beast, at DL : 1 and my level 21 Barbarian that was well equipped (and found a very nice sword with a demon slaying brand) was no match, the thing was taking nearly no hit (fortunately my character wasn't taking as large damage as i thought he would get)
Teleporting saved the day and i could exit


Apparently my character is "a bitter enemy of Honour" too

[MagmaMcFry]

Apparently my character is "a bitter enemy of Honour" too

What sort of honourable person would randomly hit innocent Greater hell-beasts?