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[Hapah]

Hapah: Why did you not include the information regarding me in your "post-from-beyond"? Why do you consider it to be premature? Could you please show us this post?

The case has too many conditionals and shaky assumptions for my taste, and I don't want to muddy the waters any more than they already are. It's worth noting that Sol himself said, in response to my concerns, "The DS case is highly conjecture-based, I wouldn't vote him before a more substantial case comes to light against him, and certainly not before Vector, or even Urist." If you really want to see it despite all that then just let me know, I guess.

Right now, however, I am inclined to believe she is town. Something interesting I noticed was how everyone automatically believed in Hapah's claim to have inspected Vector.

I believe that multiple people will have to be lynched in order to figure this insanity out, including, quite possibly, myself.

I think it's more my inspect result plus Leafsnail saying that Vector targeted him. The case isn't bulletproof by any stretch, but for D2 it's pretty damn good.

[Tiruin]

...Waitaminute.

Vector: Did your redirect - or any of your powers, have anything that would affect the vote of the person you targeted?

[Mephansteras]

The Counting Stones
Captain Ford: Deathsword
Deathsword: Vector
Vector: Captain Ford, Hapah, Leafsnail, Toaster


Vote phase ends ~5pm Pacific Today

[Vector]

Nope.

[Toaster]

I'm building up a case, but I have one question first.


Hapah and Vector:  Did you get any night flavor indicating anything similar to being led around in a circle, something delaying/changing your path, anything like that?

[Hapah]

I'm building up a case, but I have one question first.

Hapah and Vector:  Did you get any night flavor indicating anything similar to being led around in a circle, something delaying/changing your path, anything like that?

PFP

Just reread the PM, and can confirm I got no flavor like that.

[Vector]

Well... there was a little of that.  There was an indication that I took a really long time moving around last night, but I thought that was just flavortext.

[Toaster]

Can you summarize the whole of your night result?

[Toaster]

Vector:

Incidentally, given that you're likely going to be lynched anyway you might as well claim your full role.

Also, what was your response to this?

[Toaster]

Okay.  This is the claim summary I'm working from- if I'm missing or wrong on anything, please let me know.

Spoiler: Claims (click to show/hide)

Night 1:
Hapah:  Vector is scum  (Specifically mentioned name Vector in result)
Vector:  Redirected Hapah to Deathsword
Leafsnail:  Was targeted by Vector (and Tiruin)
Urist I:  Killed Solifuge
Tiruin:  Targeted Leafsnail

Other:
Deathsword:  Was made unable to vote Vector  (Day 2)
Deathsword:  Gets one-shot votes of those who die
Tiruin:  Can move votes of others
Hapah: Is medium

Obviously the Hapah/Vector/Leaf claims do not reconcile.  Vector is the cornerstone, so we'll start with her.

Let's assume Vector is town, and is by extension telling the truth.  This leads to Hapah incriminating Deathsword, except that Hapah specifically mentioned seeing Vector's name in his result.  Why?  Vector has not claimed any true interference with her night action.  Additionally, this calls out Leafsnail as a liar.  Tiruin's claim is not really relevant here- Leaf did take care to exclude mentioning the possibility of anyone else targeting him, but this is not proof positive either way, though the chain of events would indicate Leaf knew where Tiruin's line of questioning was going.  As a result, this assumption leads to Leafsnail being scum and either Hapah or Deathsword is scum.

If we assume Vector is scum, much changes.  From there, we assume Hapah is telling the truth.  Deathsword becomes null, as Vector naming him out becomes straight WIFOM.  Leafsnail's alignment becomes more weighted on Urist I's.  If UI is mafia, then Solifuge was the scum NK and we don't know why Vector targeted Leaf.  If UI is SK or vig, then most likely Vector was trying to NK Leaf.  Trying to deduce Leaf's alignment based on UI isn't going to get us anywhere right now.

I must conclude that Vector is most likely scum.  Given Hapah's claim to have seen Vector, specifically, and the fact that the claim chain would have outed two scum members to achieve a single town mislynch is too far out there to believe otherwise.  Everything lines up with Scum Vector.


Couple questions remain, though.


Hapah:  Why did you inspect Vector?


Vector:  Why did you think Deathsword was scummy?  I see your lines on Hapah, but you don't seem to ever have mentioned Deathsword.

[Hapah]

PFP

It's worth noting that when I asked Meph if a redirect would cause me to see a different person in the flavor, the reply was basically "it depends".

I wanted to inspect an experienced player so that, even if the inspect came up Town, I'd still have a strong player that I could give a fair degree of trust. Vector specifically got chosen because some of her replies seems a little off: the messages were right, but the tone was wrong.

[Toaster]

Hapah:  Did you get any oddness in the flavor that might indicate interference?

Also, can you give an example or two of something appearing "off?"

[Hapah]

PFP

Nope. Talking to spirit animal, followed through forest to a clearing that I recognized, saw Vector and the strangers.

I can't really go digging since I'm PFP, but I seem to recall Vector's reply to my "why did you ask Tir that question" post. The message was about right, but the tone seemed a little...dismissive, I guess? It could just be how Vector is, but I noticed it all the same.

[Mephansteras]

The Counting Stones
Captain Ford: Deathsword
Vector: Captain Ford, Hapah, Leafsnail, Toaster, Vector


  Vector stands up and scowls at you. "Fine! Yes, I've been talking to the Strangers. If we do not adapt and join them, this tribe will whither and die! Most of you are far too foolish to see this, but I can still hope that someone with some sense becomes the next Chief. Even a Hedgehog knows that rolling into a ball and hoping trouble goes away isn't always the best option."

  With a toss of her hair she stalks out of the Spirit Tent and out to the campfire outside.

  The rest of you begin preparations for the next Spirit Walk. You will have plenty of time to ponder her words then.



The Spirit Walk has started. Send in your actions!

[Mephansteras]

The Spirit Walk is over. You begin to feel your bodies again. The blood pounding in your veins, the smoky air filling your lungs. You open your eyes and look around.

Tiruin and Toaster lie on the ground, slumped over from where they sat. You check on them, but they are fine. You imagine they'll have rather nasty headaches when they wake up, but they should recover soon enough. You summon some attendants to carry them gently out to the campfire outside to be tended to.

Once again, a whisper from the spirit realms appears in your mind.

"The Fox, Crafty and Curious. But still fond of the tribe's Traditions."  Tiruin's face floats in your mind for a moment and then fades.

"The Carp, Wise and Lucky. Long a champion of the tribe's Traditions."  Toaster's face floats in your mind for a moment and then fades.

Then the whisper is gone, and the solid world takes shape again.

Only Five of you left. Only one can be Chief.

Let the discussion resume.



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