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a newbie fortress
« on: March 01, 2013, 10:08:10 am »

well considering that the dwarf fortress is a very difficult game to learn to play is normal that there are many players who could not understand how the game works, but with a "little patience", a player can learn how the game works, but there will be always something that we can not learn on your own, that's why I made

 :-\first I would like to ask how do I get water in the damn winter when everything is frozen
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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 10:09:28 am »

Underground sources don't freeze - divert a river into an underground reservoir, but be careful about how water pressure works!  Also other, more cavernous sources can provide water.

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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 10:46:17 am »

well I've tried to do a kind of channel to build a well but it did not go well, is there any way to hold the water or at least cause it do stop spreading through the tunnels?
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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 10:48:25 am »

Not sure if you've found and looked yet, but...

Fortress mode Q&A http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=101379.0
Adventure mode Q&Q (has a few cross-related answers)http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=71780.0
The DF Wiki http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=71780.0

Forgot to mention, the forum "search" works great when you have a question.  Try it some time. :D
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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 10:57:23 am »

Water always tries to spread out as evenly as possible.  I should know, I just flooded a fort that was doing quite well. :(

Any water column whose surface is considered above ground (aka "Outdoors") will freeze solid, all the way to the bottom, if it gets cold enough outside.  This will prevent a surface well from functioning in winter.  Water flowing through a tile that at any point has seen the sky (i.e., is considered above ground) will freeze, even if it is now covered over with constructed walls or floors.  Water in a tile that is considered "underground" (loo[k] at the tile to see this, by the way) will not freeze, no matter how thin the roof/floor over it is.  A constructed floor or wall does not keep a tile marked underground, even if the natural ground was dug away after the space above was walled/floored over.

Myself, I dig out an 6 to 10 z-level 3x3 underground cistern to hold the water. A single tunnel feeds the cistern through a ramp dug up into the underside of the river/stream/brook.  Floodgates are used to control the water so I can drain the cistern if another idiot dwarf dodges into it while sparring.  One lever tied to a lockout floodgate normally left open, a second tied to the floodgate controlled by the pressure plate that closes the gate when the water level reaches "full" (triggers the gate open when water drops to 0-4/7 at that level, usually two below the top of the cistern).  A third lever at the bottom opens the drain floodgates so I can recover useful items from the idiot that drown in the well.

All of this is from first hand experience.  There may be other caveats to keeping your well from freezing, and in working order, but I haven't run into them yet.
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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 11:41:42 am »

 :-\thanks for your help, you gave me some ideas to try to make a water source, just hope not too flood my fortress, for now the water is frozen but as the river is frozen my dwarves can not drink water and for some reason they are not making drinks
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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 11:43:57 am »

Check my signature for the science thread.  There's Water Science Explained in there somewhere, that details how water pressure and movement works.  The core rules for handling water are "know your pumps and double-check your diagonals."

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 11:50:28 am »

This is down to understanding how the "Surface / Underground" flag works. Every tile is flagged as either above ground or underground. All water occupying tiles flagged as "above ground" will freeze up. You can never set an "above ground" tile to "underground". You can go the other way, by digging - i.e. it's a one-way conversion. A tile that has no NATURAL rock vertically above it somewhere will get flagged as "above ground". Constructed ceilings don't count.

This is also applicable to farming (surface vs underground) and miasma (it's only allowed to spread around underground tiles).

Given the above condition, you need to dig out a reservoir that has most, if not all, tiles flagged underground. The architecture must ensure it can't spill over into your fort either - presumably you just want wells to access this water so the task is fairly easy: the only way to access the water will be from above.
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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2013, 11:53:06 am »

On the other hand, if you do have excess flow of water, it can make for glorious waterfalls of infinite glee.

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2013, 12:01:07 pm »

On the other hand, if you do have excess flow of water, it can make for glorious waterfalls of infinite glee.
Hmm, do waterfall mists trigger even for 1 z-level falls? I remember an old fort that I briefly flooded (i.e. yes I recovered). It used ramps instead of stairs so I would have gotten a sad series of 1 z-level high mini-waterfalls instead of a beautiful sight.
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Congrats, Psieye. This is the first time I've seen a derailed thread get put back on the rails.

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2013, 12:03:35 pm »

I... think it does?  Yeah, mist definitely generates at 1z fall, I've done river diversions and pushed rivers through underground channels lined with waterwheels, and the 1 level fall would generate mists.

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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2013, 12:19:23 pm »

two of my dwarves die of thirst, I do not know why but they are not making drinks, all will die by dehydration :'(
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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2013, 12:22:51 pm »

Drinks are step 1 of fortress management, not complicated...

Got empty barrels?
Got brewable items?
Got free workers?
Got order on the workshop?

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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2013, 12:26:39 pm »

 :-\ I have everything I need but they do nothing
only if I do not have barrels  :o
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Re: a newbie fortress
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2013, 12:50:08 pm »

I have barrels and now what?
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