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[SOLDIER First]

ew, office

[AH]

PSA: If, in rp-rev, either faction literally surrounds you at gunpoint and tries to FORCE you to swear loyalty, please feel free to do so and then shoot them in the fucking back.

Forcibly converting people in an explicitly RP-based mode is absolutely atrocious and should not be permitted under any circumstances.

Maybe ahelp too.

[scrdest]

PSA: If, in rp-rev, either faction literally surrounds you at gunpoint and tries to FORCE you to swear loyalty, please feel free to do so and then shoot them in the fucking back.

Forcibly converting people in an explicitly RP-based mode is absolutely atrocious and should not be permitted under any circumstances.

Maybe ahelp too.

what. No? That's a perfectly in-character reason to join. Especially when Rev turns into Liberal Spacecrime Squad. And considering that there are players who won't join for ideological reasons, that's the only way for the gamemode to progress.

I consider 'OOC: It was rev?' a much, much greater failure mode than forceconversion, and RP-Rev does not allow for lolflashing which WAS an abusable mechanic.

Shooting your nominal faction in the back in a team-based mode that's not Paranoia mustn't be happening. If you ahelp in this situation, a sympathetic admin might de-rev you, but you DO NOT SHOOT YOUR TEAMMATES. It's an unparalleled salt mine, and it's an incredible mess for staff to untangle.

[IcyTea31]

An oath, or any contract really, is void when made under duress. If your character is revved less than willingly, you could simply surrender to the next sec officer and ask to be taken into protective custody, then snitch out whoever coerced you. This way you put a complicated legal case into motion with ample opportunities for roleplaying.

[scrdest]

An oath, or any contract really, is void when made under duress. If your character is revved less than willingly, you could simply surrender to the next sec officer and ask to be taken into protective custody, then snitch out whoever coerced you. This way you put a complicated legal case into motion with ample opportunities for roleplaying.

That's a legal thing, which was introduced specifically because people would do otherwise. Gameplay does not have to comply with that.

It might make for more interesting scenarios, but a) we specifically have a policy against team-antag betrayals, b) would far more commonly result in Sec powergaming the snitch existing to GIT DAT nonexistent REDTEXT. An average Security member is in for chases and shootouts, not Spess Government 101.

[AH]

on phone so

This was relating specifically to the LOYALISTS aka sec and command surrounding people and forcing them to swear to NT. This is unacceptable. You cannot force people by gunpoint to fight for you and expect them to cooperate. I certainly won't be.

Fuck that

edit. Rev is also extremely different from all other teamtag modes. Nukes are literally all sworn team mercs. Cultists are mindslaves. Revs are willing participants who have CHOSEN A SIDE of their own. Forcing them to play in your court by gunpoint is against the spirit of things.

[Ozarck]

UuuUUUUGh.

[Aseaheru]

 We still have loyalty implants, right? Where they atleast using those?

[AH]

Not sure, but I still feel it's poor form to shoot people and forceimplant them to your side too. Your loyalty is to NT, not misguided loyalists... etc

This ain't /tg/ rev where you're supposed to blast people willy nilly and implant as many people as possible until you find the revhead and kill them, you know?

[Aseaheru]

 Well, that is the idea of the medium roleplay server we have here, but even for the people who dont see the roleplay part of the title should atleast have the sense to try to have a backup to lessen the amount of getting shot in the back of the head.

[scrdest]

TBH, Loyalists as a side in Rev is just an awful, pointless artifact from the merging of the two Revs and Mutiny. I would remove them from the spawnlist for regular rev and whip up old-style Antirev (i.e. the Heads are the antags formally, and their express job is to be assholes), but then I'm not sure it wouldn't instaend the round, and there are more pressing matters to attend to code-wise.

[AH]

Bring back Mutiny when :<

It could potentially be solved by hard-tacking a few more normal loyalists/revs at round start. Like force a rev or two in Security for example. That way the massive gun stash is at least a little contested.

[Hanslanda]

I'm not saying this is an admin stance, because I'm a little freelance at the moment. I'm still in the process of joining the forum and finding out the intricacies that have been defined in my absence. But if I were force-converted by a gang of Heads with guns, I would absofuckinglutely betray the FUCK out of them at the first possible dramatic opportunity. Because that's what I'd do in real life. The same goes for Revs, unless they Explosive implanted me or something. Really, what motivation exists for you to not betray them? They have guns? Once you have a gun or a method of escape, that excuse isn't worth shit.

Edit: Also, why can I not play half the jobs suddenly? Did we JUST add a waitlist? o.O

[Aedel]

As I keep saying, loyalists are a terrible antagonist in rev. Speaking as an admin, I will almost always un-antag someone that ahelps about forced conversion to either side then gets left alone. If you're gonna space crime squad, keep your conscripts in line if you want them to fight. Use a loyalty or explosive implant or keep a guy watching them. Don't be surprised if you and the hos force recruit half the crew then they all suddenly turn into revs once you hand out the armory and send them off. I have more leniency with revs for the reasons scrdest said, but loyalists don't have that problem. I'll type something that makes more sense once I'm off a phone.

[Nienhaus]

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