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[scrdest]

Wait, you mean SS13 doesn't have realistic space physics? o_O

[Arcani]

Yes, and whitelists (Play for three games and you are listed), and death if you kill FNR.

So what does the listing do, really? Is it just to discourage people from playing sec all the time, or am I misunderstanding?

[LordSlowpoke]

it's to prevent new people from seccing around

technically it's good

practically it's somewhat decent, but it denies these filthy serverdrifters the ability to do shit even if they're masters of it normal;y

as long as it's not "lol wait 2 weeks before you can play janitor" it's bearable

[Iceblaster]

@Bulletsec

To be honest, it'll be abused no doubt, someone's gonna yell, but with it comes some benefits.

When's the last time you heard of the detective running out of ammo and being told to get a taser instead? Or Urist McRambo charging a taser because it won't fuck him over in the long run. Or just in general, one or two tasers getting out, causing security to go into a panic.

The list of things that energy based weapons and their problems in the setting of SS13 the game(not the universe) goes on.

Bulletsec will allow the security department to be able to enforce more lethal commands easier, while being able to handle the standard jobs quicker due to threat of lethal force. Tasers, I'm sure, will still be around if need be, however I think Bulletsec will be much more effective and threatening to those that need to be threatened. And who heard of corporate security without lethal weapons on their person for a /known/ terrorist threat.

I mean, RP and meta wise, if the taser takes about four shots and a few seconds to knock you down, versus a bullet to the chest(along with the pain), which seems more likely in which you tank it and take down the evil(obvs) security officer?

Apologies if this sounds harsh in any way. Blah blah blah, debate this,

[Kingbodz]

Whitelisting for sec seems like a good plan. It keeps the shitlers out of sec. It sucks when some noob chooses sec and abuses power a day. Thats my biggest problem with tg because any new guy can be cap or HoS and then the round is fucked.

[Fniff]

Bulletsec sounds... fun, but I think it would be also interesting to keep a non-whitelisted security job. Maybe have Guards and Officers. Guards are basically rent-a-cops who handle the low-grade shit with tasers, Officers have guns and maybe some knowledge of the Syndicate. Have guards look like cops and officers look like security right now to enhance the difference.

[scrdest]

Bulletsec sounds... fun, but I think it would be also interesting to keep a non-whitelisted security job. Maybe have Guards and Officers. Guards are basically rent-a-cops who handle the low-grade shit with tasers, Officers have guns and maybe some knowledge of the Syndicate. Have guards look like cops and officers look like security right now to enhance the difference.

Then we're back to square one.

[Fniff]

Well, maybe the security guards should just have batons or something. To be honest, I would more prefer the idea of Security Officers being more like guards then guys with guns.

[Aseaheru]

Just batons, a seclite, spray and some cuffs.

[KingofstarrySkies]

I like Bulletsec, because it discourages stupidity en masse. It's abusable, yes, but so was lasersec. And Bulletsec don't have stunbatons, AKA 1hitwinsticks. They have Telebatons. Personally, I think we need a middle ground: Something less...Bone-crushing, but doesn't stun. Think actual police batons.

And tasers? Fuck tasers. Bullshit how a couple of shots can knock down a guy in full body armor with four shots.

RP-wise, I like it. Security should feel like either Police Officers, or freakin' Corperate Security. Both carry pistols. Save the lasers for Red Alert in the armory.

[Kingbodz]

Wouldn't stunbatons be more setting friendly as its the future? Tasers can go because the way they work is retarded but sec should use rubber bullets or beanbag guns for non lethal take downs.

[Cheedows]

Wouldn't stunbatons be more setting friendly as its the future? Tasers can go because the way they work is retarded but sec should use rubber bullets or beanbag guns for non lethal take downs.

This makes a lot more sense. In many European countries their police realistically use bean bags, with more shotgun use to  prevent civilian casualties. Why would NT risk some personnel getting killed in the crossfire? We all know that security officers sometimes shoot up civvies, but this time it will be a lot worst than a nervous system breakdown.

[Kingbodz]

The way bullet sec should work is that the gun spawns with non lethal rounds. Sec can have a lethal clip in the locker. More rounds can be spawned from the sec vending machine.

[Liction]

While I agree that stun batons are basically 1hit winsticks have you ever tried to baton someone who is actively saxxing around you? It's not very easy. Im probably against removing stun batons for telebatons but maybe someone can finagle the code for stunbatons to do a lot holodamage instead. That way stunbatons still work on your average crew member but not on nookops or anyone wearing armor.

[Kingbodz]

While I agree that stun batons are basically 1hit winsticks have you ever tried to baton someone who is actively saxxing around you? It's not very easy. Im probably against removing stun batons for telebatons but maybe someone can finagle the code for stunbatons to do a lot holodamage instead. That way stunbatons still work on your average crew member but not on nookops or anyone wearing armor.

Stunbatons not working on armoured targets is great idea.