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[Criptfeind]

It already takes a second or two to cuff doesn't it? I would guess it taking longer would just make it so officers will give the people they are cuffing a extra prod or two first the stun batton first to make sure they don't run outa time.

[Cheedows]

Yeah, reason why I was confused why it ever needed to be nerfed.

[Aedel]

BS12 apparently had a problem of people running up and cuffing people while tanking blows.

[LordSlowpoke]

nerf just about every weapon

wonder why weapons are useless

stay classy baystation

[Criptfeind]

Tanking blows? You can just take a step to cancel the cuffing can't you? As long as you don't stay stock still in a fight I'm pretty sure you can't be cuffed.

Well, maybe it's changed since I last tried. Who knows.

[scrdest]

It takes a second to aggressive grab if they aren't running. As far as I can see, all this prevents is you cuffing someone in the middle of a fight.

It also makes cuffing a two-handed action, one to grab, one to cuff. So no more stunbaton-cuff combo.

[Jacob/Lee]

More than once I've been cuffed by stepping back then returning to the tile I was on before the handcuff timer finished and got cuffed anyway. Handcuffs are extremely weird sometimes. Moving to other tiles should stop it, though.

[Cheedows]

More than once I've been cuffed by stepping back then returning to the tile I was on before the handcuff timer finished and got cuffed anyway. Handcuffs are extremely weird sometimes. Moving to other tiles should stop it, though.

This might have something to do with BYOND lag on interactions. To give an even weirder example, you can aggressive grab someone and throw them even if they are already like 5 tiles away from you, as long as the aggressive grab "item" is still in your hand.

[KingofstarrySkies]

Batons are still 1hitinstawinnomatterwhat sticks.

Lovely.

You mean the stun batons that are there to end fights as quickly as possible with minimal harm?
Yes they are.

Because it totally makes sense for a Nuke Op to be taken down through their MILITARY GRADE ARMOR with a simple stun baton.
Totally.

[miauw62]

More than once I've been cuffed by stepping back then returning to the tile I was on before the handcuff timer finished and got cuffed anyway. Handcuffs are extremely weird sometimes. Moving to other tiles should stop it, though.

This might have something to do with BYOND lag on interactions. To give an even weirder example, you can aggressive grab someone and throw them even if they are already like 5 tiles away from you, as long as the aggressive grab "item" is still in your hand.

Lol, it's not related to lag. It's just related to the fact how do_after() works.

[Criptfeind]

Batons are still 1hitinstawinnomatterwhat sticks.

Lovely.

You mean the stun batons that are there to end fights as quickly as possible with minimal harm?
Yes they are.

Because it totally makes sense for a Nuke Op to be taken down through their MILITARY GRADE ARMOR with a simple stun baton.
Totally.

Well, sarcasm aside, yeah that doesn't make sense. But you can turn it around, it's pretty much far more common for stun batons to be used on people with no protection whatsoever. It makes even less sense for a nakket dude to be able to tank a few taser shots to the gonads, and that's (in my experience) a more likely scenario then nuke ops.

[KingofstarrySkies]

The nerf, I believe, was for Nuke Hardsuits and Cult Armor only.

[Aedel]

The nerf, I believe, was for Nuke Hardsuits and Cult Armor only.

No, it's for all armor. All armor gives halloss protection, and therefor baton softening.

[Glloyd]

Batons are still 1hitinstawinnomatterwhat sticks.

Lovely.

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>can't stun on harm baton
>baton still 1hitwins on every other intent

God damn it Glloyd you got the bad and good parts mixed up.

Corai, I didn't touch batons at all. That was all BS12.

As for the aggressive grab nonsense, if people dislike it, I'll revert it when it gets to us. It seems pretty dumb.

[bluwolfie]

They're saying handcuffs will require you to be aggressively grabbing your foe before cuffing.

That sounds really stupid. The interface is clunky enough as it is. Somehow I think this is going to make cuffing a lot harder than it needs to be.