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[scrdest]

I knooooooow, but come on, being early is better than being groggy all day the first week of school

Well, in my school the first week was always the warmup week, so it wasn't a problem.

[Kydrasz]

Stay a while and lis- I'm sorry I will never do that again.

Anyway here's the story of a lone Clown armed only with a flashlight and a laser.

Spoiler: Once upon a time in an abandoned station... (click to show/hide)

Normally I never join rounds by myself but this one was already started and I figured 'why not?' The first thing I saw was the shuttle except it was the only place lit. Thankfully the doors work and I made my way to the lounging area and turned on my flashlight. Surprisingly I then noticed the shuttle area was infested with vines, and I made it through unscathed. The next few areas were breached so I did what any good Clown would do and placed my oxygen tank into my pocket and turned it on. Since the station was low on power, I didn't think it would last long so I headed to tool storage and filled a toolbelt with tools and went on my way.

The Corporate showroom was busted up enough for me to break into the Captain's quarters and 'borrow' the ID. Since Central was breached, I popped on the armor as well and made my way to Engineering, I broke into Auxiliary tool storage to get a flashlight then continued forward. After a few minutes of messing around, I decided it was a lost cause, popped on some insulated gloves, and headed out. I dropped the Captain's armor because I didn't like the look of it. On my way back, I noticed there were three spiders in the tool storage. They noticed me and then started chasing. I tried to close the door but failed as one of them stood in it. Panicking I ran south which was a bad mistake on my part.

It was a deadend, and I ran past a door. When I turned around to go back to it, the spider had reached the door. Luckily Mister Bubbles is not one for spiders because he shoved it out of the way as he ran away. The only route was through a breached bridge which gave me a higher chance of survival. I made it through with only yellow health. I ran back into the Captain's quarters to get the laser gun, then I ran back to the east doors. The spider was waiting for me there, and I shot it 3 times. On the third shot, I shot my foot being a Clown and all, and it dropped me into orange.

The part that had me tense was when I had to get some medicine for myself after I called the shuttle. Imagine this, walking down a dark hallway with a flashlight in one hand and a laser in the other, knowing well enough that there was things out there waiting to kill you... Despite the perfect atmosphere for a sudden ambush, I made it to Medbay storage without incident. I popped three pills, injected myself with the hypospray and went back to the bridge.

Then I went back to the bridge, waited for the shuttle, and took Ian with me as I boarded...

Best. Atmosphere. Ever.

[BigD145]

Anyway here's the story of a lone Clown armed only with a flashlight and a laser.

This is why the ship from the Clown Planet crashed into the asteroid and there were no survivors.

[Kydrasz]

Anyway here's the story of a lone Clown armed only with a flashlight and a laser.

This is why the ship from the Clown Planet crashed into the asteroid and there were no survivors.

Err explanation please?

[BigD145]

Anyway here's the story of a lone Clown armed only with a flashlight and a laser.

This is why the ship from the Clown Planet crashed into the asteroid and there were no survivors.

Err explanation please?

This is probably the best reason why

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

On the third shot, I shot my foot being a Clown and all, and it dropped me into orange.

Many Clowns falling over themselves in a cramped ship may have led to falling into the control panel and going out of control.

----Low pop on right now. Need people on.

[miauw62]

Expect to see Mark Barnes again, since I'm back from my vacation.

[scrdest]

10 people. Hop on, kill some Carp.

[Grek]

Second one. The AI is forbidden to take any action which results in human harm, so it has to try take whichever option could potentially lead to no humans dying.

E: An interesting point to quibble on though, is that Law 1 says "You may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm." which means that it is 100% OK to cause non-injurious human harm through action or, to allow non-harmful injuries through inaction.

[Fniff]

That round was ridiclous. I followed a traitor CE to the end. Thought I was beating in a traitor CMO's head, but then I thought the CMO was arresting the CE, but it turned out the CMO was also a traitor, so... bit of a mindscrew.

I should play traitor or security, I'm not great at setting up singularities and that.

[Flying Dice]

It's contextual. An Asimov Law AI or borg...

should kill a human in a binary decision wherein the only options are: 1. Kill one human. or 2. Allow that human to kill >1 humans.

Mind you, that sort of situation is incredibly rare. But as an example, a human who is armed and actively trying to kill others: if you trap them in a room but there are no humans capable of detaining them and there is an extant chance of them escaping, it might be acceptable to drain the air or flood the room with plasma, but only if it is completely impossible to detain them or trap them indefinitely.

should not kill a human in a situation where there is a reasonable chance of capturing and containing them, even if they may potentially kill others in the future.


Basically here's the breakdown:
-Clear and present danger, inadequate containment measures: Kill.
-Clear and present danger, adequate containment measures: Capture.
-Potential danger, inadequate containment measures: Capture if possible.
-Potential danger, adequate containment measures: Capture, await orders.

The only time I would kill as a straight Asimov AI would be if I was dealing with an individual who I can with 99% certainty say will kill someone if I don't stop them, and who cannot be contained for whatever reason (usually no/incompetent security). When it's down to the question of whether the AI kills a human directly in order to prevent the death of another at their hands, or allows the human to go free, thus killing their target by neglecting to take action, I think that the AI gets free will. It's one of the loopholes of the laws: when either choice has an outcome which is identical in the abstract sense of "Choice A = 1 dead human; Choice B = 1 dead human", it's completely up to you. Or you could RP an endless decision loop and commit suicide or go insane.

[Hanslanda]

>.> I honestly get extremely irritated whenever an AI finds an excuse to kill humans, but yeah, sure. I really feel like there is NO legitimate reason for an AI to kill someone, because the 'Cannot cause harm to humans' part comes FIRST in the FIRST law, but you know. Details. /me shrugs.

[Aseaheru]

I normally follow Dice's thing.

[Jacob/Lee]

The thing is, the law is absolute. You cannot harm humans at all, even if they are going to harm other humans. The AI's laws are supposed to be as rigid as possible. They cannot be bent for specific situations like that.

[Flying Dice]

Thing is, I see every internal clause of a law as being of equal magnitude. Thus, killing a human who is moments away from killing another human is functionally equivalent to allowing that human to kill the other human, if and only if there is no other possible way of preventing them from doing so. Causing harm through action is equivalent to causing harm through inaction if the level of harm is consistent, as it is in this case.

The situation is possible but improbable. In practical terms an Asimov-compliant AI will never kill humans because it will either be unable to act in time or there will be nonlethal options available. It's infinitely easier to hinder or trap someone than it is to kill them, and an AI who resorts to killing is probably either incompetent or malf/subverted. I'm just making the point that it's conceptually possible.

[BigD145]

Puppy mill in the smallest space possible.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm sorry PETA. So sorry.