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[Knirisk]

Xenobiology can Sort of replace mining. They can produce their own metal, plasteel and plasma. Actually Xenobiology can pretty much go independant. They can make their own food, their own power, their own explosives and weaponw. Their own private army. Hell, Xenosia played correctly with enough time could just tell the entire station to do its bidding or it will release an army of aliums or some shit. Main problem is you kinda really need two people full time to run all six cages without running yourself ragged recycling monkey corpses and processing all the extraneous offspring. And getting access to your APC. Could always bribe the Captain with a pet slime I guess.

Access to the APC is somewhat easy. Unscrew panel, pulse wires until you unlock it. The only problem arises when you accidentally short the power, which means you have to cut and reconnect the wire. I don't think you need insulated gloves to do that much, but I could totally be wrong there.

[Grek]

So, uh, bug report: If an energy gun is in a charger, the AI can click the charger and the gun will go to the AI's hand and (maybe?) out of the charger. Once this happens, the AI can lock/unlock lockers by clicking on them, place the gun in a locker to spawn new guns (!!!) and beat people/items adjacent to it with the gun.

[Scelly9]

Well, that's useful.

[GiantBadger]

Protip: Don't be the Owl, you'll get lynched for being it  .

[Flying Dice]

Haaaaah (long sigh), that was an intensely satisfying round.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Played traitor QM tasked to steal the AI. Spent most of the round playing nice-nice, did a few covert ID-less black-suited operations to steal the Intellicard from Tech Storage and a flash from the Arrival security checkpoint without being caught, and sabotaged one of the solar arrays (as the only engineer was a single cyborg and singularity was locked down) to induce power outages. After that, I just played normally for a good long while. Eventually the HoP/acting Captain found the Owlman costume and started harassing people with flashes and an energygun, which inevitably led to a fiasco in which several of us stripped his ID, cuffed him, and shut him in a closet (where he was later beaten to death for no apparent reason, but I won't get into that).

Then carp showed up and started being pests, I killed a couple in Cargo, the Borg killed a couple in Escape (and saved somebody). With no Heads left, invading Carp, a madman, and very low power, I suggested to the AI that we evacuate. It agreed, and the shuttle was called. Since there were no Heads left, I took a chance and told it that I had retrieved the Intellicard from tech storage, hoping that it wouldn't notice that I have never gotten access and the door was untouched, and asked to recover it. It concurred. Once the shuttle arrived, the AI let me into Upload, but neither of us could open the glass gate, so I smashed from one side while the AI magically levitated a gun to bash it from the other side. At this point I was a derp and didn't just give the AI remote access, instead opting to hack the doors open with less than a minute left until departure, then ran all the way to escape, stripping off my hardsuit, toolbelt, and so forth to go faster, making it in the door with less than ten seconds. One peaceful shuttle ride later, and great success!

Ye gods but that was tense. So much better than just having to steal some piece of high-tech crap because it forces you to be really damned careful to cover your tracks, and to RP really quickly to justify your actions. Also, proof that being a goodguy is a way to win as traitor. Of course I was a QM so I had a free hacking kit and RCD from the get-go. Much easier to sneak through tunnels dismantling and rebuilding walls in an instant than it is hacking doors in the main corridors. :3


Also, to the new(er) guy who was playing cargo tech: Sorry I didn't have more time to show you around, but I was busy plotting and scheming.

[GiantBadger]

Taht round was fun for me too, Glloyd turned me into the Owl and I just wandered the station looking creepy at people, then for some reason the janitor announces he is planning on stopping the owl-infestation.
He  plants beartraps while the the hallways go dark, step into one and stun him, QM tries flashing me for some reason and meddocs come in with syringe guns filled with chloral, escape, recharge guns and then the AI decides to lock me in the sec post of science, RD walls me in with a RCD, fire warning shots, escape again, for some reason the AI let people carry around energyguns, get stunned again, stripped, locked in the tiny room next to the morgue, they forgot to take of my backpack filled with guns,flashes and cuffs, badly hurt, get to medbay to heal myself doctor beats me to death.

That was it in short, sorry for the poor structure of the text but gotta go.

[scrdest]

Not fair! Cargo can sever itself and do whatever the fuck it wants if the QM commands it and the rest of the station can't? TWO THINGS NEEDED: 1. A way of getting resources APART from mining the asteroid (since cargonia controls it) and 2. MORE AUTOLATHES ON THE STATION!

I suppose the engineers could mine unused parts of the station for more metal (plus they start with a bunch), and they can access an autolathe board in tech storage.

The engineers just cut power off to the rest of the station till they get what they want.  That or prep N2O floods and such.  Atmosia and Engineering don't break away so much when going independant, they just hold people at ransom.

Cargonia can order tonnes of Internals, if needed. Also, vent welding. If Engineeria cuts power, nobody has it. And then Engineeria is invaded by angry Cargonians with riot shotguns.

Medbayans are next to useless, if not for Chemistry, but even then, they are mostly the ACTUAL supply department in a situation like that, with their meds, grenades and human enchancement, either via engineered viruses or Genetics. Generally, Medbaya, Botania and Falconia (Bar+Kitchen) should form a single, merchant nation if they want to have any real leverage.

Libraria and Chapelia are the Switzerland of departments, along with Arrivals, appendices to the main hallway more than anything.

Researchia is quite powerful, but depends on other departments, mostly for chemicals and, if used wastefully, Monkey Cubes. Of course, it has Robotics, which are pretty damn powerful; on the other hand, Medbayan-Cargonian alliance will make short work of all mechs with EMP. There is also Toxins, and a competent Toxin Scientist allied with competent Atmosian can produce a world-shattering KABOOM.

In comparison, Security does not really have a lot of power - yes, they start with weapons and armor, but they are a brute-force faction, with no real productive capabilities or bargaining power, unless they want to pawn their own batons.

[Radio Controlled]

The MULEs are the easiest to hack, you even start with a multitool. Pulse wires until the loading bay clunks, cut that wire. If the drive motor whines, cut one of the wires.

Also, you don't HAVE to play captain as HoP if there isn't a captain.

On the other hand, if you have no idea what you're doing, hacking a MULE may result in... unpleasantness. Of the messy, fun kind. Which, of course, is of use to traitor, but been ages since I have seen it used like that.

Also, if you are quick, you can sprint for a coin and get Insulated Gloves. Which are THE accessory for hacking, rendering you invincible to shocks from wires.

You can order those too.

Yet another reason Cargo rules everything. Especially traitor or all-access Cargo. Aliens? Hostile operatives? Say hello to my little friend, riot shotgun. Need to hack something? Electrical Maintenance crate. Virologist wants to create a transhumanizing virus? Haul ass to as(s)teroid. Cargonia with enough access is more independent than the famously separatistic Atmosia.

Except you need to get an emitter from Engineeria to open locked crates.

Emitters open locked crates? How, if I may ask?

[Grek]

Emitters shoot lasers and if a crate is hit by a laser, it can be destroyed.

[TheBronzePickle]

Cargonia can already (sort of) easily hack their way into armory or the bar.

The only people who could reliably stop a complete Cargonia victory of force is the AI and Securia, and that's just because they have more force.

[scrdest]

The MULEs are the easiest to hack, you even start with a multitool. Pulse wires until the loading bay clunks, cut that wire. If the drive motor whines, cut one of the wires.

Also, you don't HAVE to play captain as HoP if there isn't a captain.

On the other hand, if you have no idea what you're doing, hacking a MULE may result in... unpleasantness. Of the messy, fun kind. Which, of course, is of use to traitor, but been ages since I have seen it used like that.

Also, if you are quick, you can sprint for a coin and get Insulated Gloves. Which are THE accessory for hacking, rendering you invincible to shocks from wires.

You can order those too.

Yet another reason Cargo rules everything. Especially traitor or all-access Cargo. Aliens? Hostile operatives? Say hello to my little friend, riot shotgun. Need to hack something? Electrical Maintenance crate. Virologist wants to create a transhumanizing virus? Haul ass to as(s)teroid. Cargonia with enough access is more independent than the famously separatistic Atmosia.

Except you need to get an emitter from Engineeria to open locked crates.

Emitters open locked crates? How, if I may ask?

Same way Lasers open lockers, if I understand correctly. Blast the crate open, get items from inside.

[miauw62]

Emitters break crates tough, so shotguns may be better.

[Damiac]

On the subject of cults 'lolflashing', there's nothing to RP.  You use a magic rune drawn with your blood to force a person to join the cult of nar'sie.  The RP begins with stunning them, and ends with clicking on the rune.  After that, there's RP opportunity.

But either way, OOCing about IC stuff just because it didn't go the way you wanted is total BS.  Not that anyone seems to care much about IC in OOC anymore.  I personally wish the admins would just mute OOC for 15 minutes every time someone gives away IC info in OOC.  Let the players bitch out the offending player(s) for making them lose OOC, and avoid any ban/punishment drama.

Really, rev is the same thing as cult. The syndicate teaches you a special technique to brainwash people into joining your revolution, which is clearly stated at round start.  Rev is essentially just a much harder cult for the most part, so when you've got crewmembers who you try to RP revolutionary stuff with, and they tell sec, it only makes it harder.  The RPing rev conversions rule was based on very low populations, where the entire security force was generally the captain and HoS.  So that rule might not really make sense anymore.

 

[Nick K]

What Cargonia lacks is a microwave and meat spike. We are willing to trade with the kitchen and botany via the mail/disposals system. Do not attempt to waylay our MULE's when they are on their journey. The next one might run you over. On this server we take cash and hot cooked meals in exchange for raw materials.

There's a microwave on the mining asteroid.

[Knirisk]

What Cargonia lacks is a microwave and meat spike. We are willing to trade with the kitchen and botany via the mail/disposals system. Do not attempt to waylay our MULE's when they are on their journey. The next one might run you over. On this server we take cash and hot cooked meals in exchange for raw materials.

There's a microwave on the mining asteroid.

From the Bible of SS13: "The Owl answered, 'It is written: "Assistants shall not live on donk-pockets alone..."'"