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[Aseaheru]

wait, is this station going? i was playing Apollo station but i think it crashed...

[Girlinhat]

As I implied, that would be a situation where it wouldn't be allowed. I sincerely doubt someone legitimately thinks that's okay to do, and is most likely doing it just to fuck with people.

Jacob/Lee, aka A.X.L. did just so, got carded pretty quick.

But the point is the virologist wasn't working xenobiology and there were no scientists to do so, he just wanted to try to steal one of the starving, murderous slimes so he could experiment with it.

Now see, this seems fine to me. That's an actual reason to lock down xenobiology, but usually it'd be best to ask the heads first. Girlinhat, you presented to me the situation where the AI does it for no reason, and in this case this seems okay.

Problem is, that wasn't stated in the round.  He only ever said "Slimes are dangerous" and refused to open.  I agree with this logic, but that wasn't the logic in play during the round.

[Dsarker]

So if the AI's laws are so open to interpretation, what happens when the admins disagree with the AI's interpretation and an argument ensues? Or, for that matter, anyone. I think the idea is to get a more firm ruleset so that this doesn't happen. If the current rules don't fulfill this, we need to make a better set of them.

The point of Asimov is that they're meant for a certain purpose, but they're still exploitable and broken making the AI more susceptible to harm rather than being an omnipotent god-being that saves the station all of the time. So it's either we make a new lawset, and have people complain about having to follow a certain set of rules all of the time, or we leave it open to some interpretation and have the admins intervene when someone is straying very far from the original law.

Seriously, the majority of the time any admin has to talk to an AI about how they interpret their laws is when they're either purposely misinterpreting it or metagaming. Besides, admin decision is final. If enough people have an issue with an admin's decision, they can dispute it and have it overturned anyways. Leaving it open to interpretation is the easiest and frankly best option so far, and is the decision all of the admins have agreed on.

Can we at least agree, one interpretation that is not valid is locking down toxins, xeno, and viro?  These are valid work stations with jobs, that many AI insist be locked.  If there's no one working them, then locking them to prevent unauthorized access is fine, but when people are trying to do their job (and enjoy playing the game) and the AI says "I don't feel like you need to have fun this round" it's very lame.

Remember the First Law - You may not entertain a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to fun.

[mastahcheese]

So. Images from the last week or so I want to post.

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Janus stalks me and uses me as his hologram.


The bar is gutted and remade!


All access for the pirate killers.

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Got fucked by changelings (CMO and warden in this shot). One of them fucked up the hivemind chat and said out loud that the warden was going for me but I was looking at a camera.


POWER TO THE PEOPLE (HoP mass produces advanced energy guns and literally throws them at people to arm them)

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GJ Spider Clan, you sent all three of us to steal tech levels.


The roboticist mass produces cleanbots. He had about 20 by the time the round ended.

Lol, I'm actually in that first picture, I was so confused when I saw that, though I couldn't really say any thing about, so I just started drinking my bottle of nothing.

[Girlinhat]

Serious question: What's fun about rev rounds?  I was having fun on /tg/ until a rev round.  Within 2 minutes I get flashed in the hallway and security beats me to death before I can stand back up.  This happens on /tg/ and B12, it's just less common for B12 because it requires a player limit we usually don't hit.  Every single round starts with security going apeshit and everyone getting bludgeoned.

[Nienhaus]

So. Images from the last week or so I want to post.

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The bar is gutted and remade!
All access for the pirate killers.

That's a pretty bar you got there.

[Bdthemag]

Serious question: What's fun about rev rounds?  I was having fun on /tg/ until a rev round.  Within 2 minutes I get flashed in the hallway and security beats me to death before I can stand back up.  This happens on /tg/ and B12, it's just less common for B12 because it requires a player limit we usually don't hit.  Every single round starts with security going apeshit and everyone getting bludgeoned.

The original few revolution rounds were very fun, not sure what happened though (Although what you described I'm pretty sure doesn't happen particularly often, at least not from what I've seen/heard.) But I do agree the general suggested guidelines for it should be changed. My preference of heavy roleplay involved in the revolution round isn't really for everyone (Most people, that is) and doesn't really work unless everyone wants to do it.

Really, I want to try out a few rounds where the revolution heads are allowed to covertly convert (They don't need to talk out their conversion, just make sure they can catch them unaware without alerting anyone to their presence. Similar to cult. Lolflashing would still not be allowed, of course.) That would pretty much provide the conflict, and security/command wouldn't have to create reasons to get people to revolt. Although without roleplaying involved, revolution feels to me more like cult without magic, but at least then we might have less shitty revolution rounds. I don't really know though, what do you guys think of it?

[BigD145]

Serious question: What's fun about rev rounds?  I was having fun on /tg/ until a rev round.  Within 2 minutes I get flashed in the hallway and security beats me to death before I can stand back up.  This happens on /tg/ and B12, it's just less common for B12 because it requires a player limit we usually don't hit.  Every single round starts with security going apeshit and everyone getting bludgeoned.

/tg/ security seems to do things differently no matter what the round is. That's what I've been reading.

[Jacob/Lee]

Vactor's is back up!

[Hanslanda]

For note, Jacob, whenever I play Janus, I always pick a few people to talk to throughout the round, randomly. Usually you and Hector are included, but even as GoodGuy-Janus, I do the same thing. It's just that as Evil-Janus, it's more memorable, because the Evil AI stopped to talk to you about philosophy and having children and such before he tried to violently dismember you/set you on fire.

[Man In Zero G]

Serious question: What's fun about rev rounds?  I was having fun on /tg/ until a rev round.  Within 2 minutes I get flashed in the hallway and security beats me to death before I can stand back up.  This happens on /tg/ and B12, it's just less common for B12 because it requires a player limit we usually don't hit.  Every single round starts with security going apeshit and everyone getting bludgeoned.

Serious answer: There is absolutely nothing fun about the Revolution game mode at all. It is a terrible mode and should be expunged from the code forever.

[Man of Paper]

Though let's make sure we differentiate between opinion and fact. I very much like Rev rounds and wish we had more of an opportunity to play them.

[ShoesandHats]

Rev is only as good as security/the heads/the rev heads are willing to make it. They're usually much better on B12.

[Girlinhat]

I'd rather play Cult.  It's got similar recruit dynamics, but with more effort into finding who's a cultist or not.  Apparently Sec can just look at you and start doling the rev beatings, which turns out to not be fun at all.

[mastahcheese]

After looking through the game modes on the wiki, I really want to try a blob round now.