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[Glloyd]

If you're a committer electronics, want to see if you can make my brig rewrites part of the UristMcStation code?

 

True, but in terms of small revisions to the map like these, that won't affect /tg/station compatibility for the most part. It's when we start adding our own tiles/code/objects that it starts to get dicey.

The biggest problem with making tons of map changes is that they are extremely hard to merge with map updates that TG pushes. The second biggest reason we havn't looked at the map very hard thus far is game balance.

I agree, though in the OP it says that we're running tg, potentially forking off our own branch in the future. I'd rather stick with /tg/ myself, but there are changes which should be made to the map, even just to make it more "our" station.

[BigD145]

I can definitely see a bumrush jail break occurring since there is only one set of doors and no flash between the common area and the entrance.

[Android]

If you're a committer electronics, want to see if you can make my brig rewrites part of the UristMcStation code?

 

True, but in terms of small revisions to the map like these, that won't affect /tg/station compatibility for the most part. It's when we start adding our own tiles/code/objects that it starts to get dicey.

The biggest problem with making tons of map changes is that they are extremely hard to merge with map updates that TG pushes. The second biggest reason we havn't looked at the map very hard thus far is game balance.

I agree, though in the OP it says that we're running tg, potentially forking off our own branch in the future. I'd rather stick with /tg/ myself, but there are changes which should be made to the map, even just to make it more "our" station.

I guess part of this issue is determining where we want to go with the server. If we want to keep it semi-private as it is right now, map changes can be viewed more openly. But if we want to go fully public, aka putting our server on the game hub, we need to keep the map fairly balanced out of fairness to all.

[beorn080]

From what I recall of my time way back when, you can make maps without effecting the code. I'm not sure if you can move them around between updates, though. As long as you don't add any text to the code strings, it should be perfectly compatible with any /tg/ updates.

[Glloyd]

If you're a committer electronics, want to see if you can make my brig rewrites part of the UristMcStation code?

 

True, but in terms of small revisions to the map like these, that won't affect /tg/station compatibility for the most part. It's when we start adding our own tiles/code/objects that it starts to get dicey.

The biggest problem with making tons of map changes is that they are extremely hard to merge with map updates that TG pushes. The second biggest reason we havn't looked at the map very hard thus far is game balance.

I agree, though in the OP it says that we're running tg, potentially forking off our own branch in the future. I'd rather stick with /tg/ myself, but there are changes which should be made to the map, even just to make it more "our" station.

I guess part of this issue is determining where we want to go with the server. If we want to keep it semi-private as it is right now, map changes can be viewed more openly. But if we want to go fully public, aka putting our server on the game hub, we need to keep the map fairly balanced out of fairness to all.

I agree, personally, I'd rather stay semi-private, because this is one of the few servers I can stand, mainly because of the people. But that's just my opinion.

I can definitely see a bumrush jail break occurring since there is only one set of doors and no flash between the common area and the entrance.

Hehehe, I had that in mind when making it. The whole point is to make it so that when people are permabrigged, they don't view it as the end of the game and just commit suicide or ghost.

[BigD145]

If nobody even bothers using the permabrig more than once, and we do have a small server pop, then it doesn't look like you can get a jailbreak.

[Android]

If you're a committer electronics, want to see if you can make my brig rewrites part of the UristMcStation code?

 

True, but in terms of small revisions to the map like these, that won't affect /tg/station compatibility for the most part. It's when we start adding our own tiles/code/objects that it starts to get dicey.

The biggest problem with making tons of map changes is that they are extremely hard to merge with map updates that TG pushes. The second biggest reason we havn't looked at the map very hard thus far is game balance.

I agree, though in the OP it says that we're running tg, potentially forking off our own branch in the future. I'd rather stick with /tg/ myself, but there are changes which should be made to the map, even just to make it more "our" station.

I guess part of this issue is determining where we want to go with the server. If we want to keep it semi-private as it is right now, map changes can be viewed more openly. But if we want to go fully public, aka putting our server on the game hub, we need to keep the map fairly balanced out of fairness to all.

I agree, personally, I'd rather stay semi-private, because this is one of the few servers I can stand, mainly because of the people. But that's just my opinion.

I can definitely see a bumrush jail break occurring since there is only one set of doors and no flash between the common area and the entrance.

Hehehe, I had that in mind when making it. The whole point is to make it so that when people are permabrigged, they don't view it as the end of the game and just commit suicide or ghost.

I want to see the server go public, myself.

I've looked at the image you posted of your brig, and your wiring isnt ideal. The air alarm does not require a wire, and since this is the prison I would run the wire under the walls just to ensure a prisoner doesnt electrocute themselves *somehow*. Laundry room corner is borderline non-airtight with the missing wall. The reason the permabrig was made so inescapable is because, under TG guidelines, if you can permabrig someone, you can execute them.

Again, any time TG edits the map or changes the filepath of any object that exists on the map means we have to take time to merge those changes into our map, since maps are hard to automerge. The map vactor is running right now, in my opinion, shouldnt be running because some filepaths got changed and the items that were supposed to be on the map are not now, importance of said items aside.

[Glloyd]

From what I recall of my time way back when, you can make maps without effecting the code. I'm not sure if you can move them around between updates, though. As long as you don't add any text to the code strings, it should be perfectly compatible with any /tg/ updates.

That's what I thought.

If nobody even bothers using the permabrig more than once, and we do have a small server pop, then it doesn't look like you can get a jailbreak.

It's possible, unless the HoS is Axl. Then you're fucked. But it's also to encourage permabrigging as a viable alternative to just execution.

I've looked at the image you posted of your brig, and your wiring isnt ideal. The air alarm does not require a wire, and since this is the prison I would run the wire under the walls just to ensure a prisoner doesnt electrocute themselves *somehow*. Laundry room corner is borderline non-airtight with the missing wall. The reason the permabrig was made so inescapable is because, under TG guidelines, if you can permabrig someone, you can execute them.

I realized those mistakes after I posted the picture. Also, the wiring was originally intended to go through that wall, and that's why it goes under the air alarm. It was a first draft, and it's since been change. Also, for space law on the wiki it says execution can only be used for Syndicate collaboration or serial killers. Every other capital crime is permabrigging or cyborgization.

EDIT: Fixed those issues, and changed the wiring as per Androids ideas

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[Android]

Also, for space law on the wiki it says execution can only be used for Syndicate collaboration or serial killers. Every other capital crime is permabrigging or cyborgization.

I've never really liked spess law as written because I've found it too lenient. And what space laws says and how admins (on TG) evaluate how it is executed are different things, as well.

[Glloyd]

Also, for space law on the wiki it says execution can only be used for Syndicate collaboration or serial killers. Every other capital crime is permabrigging or cyborgization.

I've never really liked spess law as written because I've found it too lenient. And what space laws says and how admins (on TG) evaluate how it is executed are different things, as well.

I agree with you there. One minute in the brig doesn't seem like a viable punishment for distributing drugs, or two minutes a viable punishment for breaking and entering, especially when most of our games go on for a few hours. Personally, I'd like to aim for a middle ground between BS12 spess law and /tg/ spess law.

[Nienhaus]

So when are these parts of the station even getting added? And should I change the Cargo bay to where Research was if we do change it?

[Glloyd]

No idea. We'd need someone who is a committer to actually add them to the UMcS source on the google code.

EDIT: Maybe try messaging KG and Vactor?

So when are these parts of the station even getting added? And should I change the Cargo bay to where Research was if we do change it?

Maybe, noone else uses Supply a whole lot. It depends though, is there a separate shuttle for the research station?

[miauw62]

There is a reason there are no public servers that are fun 90% of the time. I don't want this to go public.

[Bdthemag]

Public servers are a bad idea. Once you make the server public, that's when the drama starts.

[miauw62]

Snake exclaims, "Of course I am! I can't fucking walk normally! I have standards!"

This is pretty awesome.