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[Iceblaster]

Powergamers don't care about lore.

The people who want a lore change most likely want it because it lets you do more RP stuff.

I mean, if everyone was playing things straight, someone speaking against Nanotrasen practices could very well be charged with treason if it was powerful enough. There is also very little reason for an anti-nanotrasen guy to just decide to work in nanotrasen. You have sleeper agents, assuming that's what revs are, but still. I'd much rather prefer an independent station going to hell because the captain received official looking orders to begin segregating by alcohol tolerance than a Nanotrasen station going to hell because they received official looking orders to begin removing aliens and such.

Plus, again, I don't really like NT. They seem to act within the boundries of 'over the top evil' and 'just evil enough' evil. I don't really see much of a redeeming factor for NT. Suuure, they may have some good sides, but the fact they stepped on so many people to the point that pretty much everyone is against them and still not getting the message to maybe start some PR campaigns that aren't 'NANOTRASEN WANTS YOU TO MINE PHORON.' At least it'd make sense for them to disband their death squad. There's a reason those rumors don't disappear.

* Iceblaster is overthinking NT and probably got things wrong.

[Ozarck]

NT is supposed to be "The largest, more or less least evil governing corporation around." Urist often plays it comedicly as incompetent, rife with blatant, company breaking internal strife, or cold and callous to the point of villiany.

My point about powergamers and anorexic "medium" RP stand.

[Iceblaster]

To be honest, the only way to handle powergamers is to crack down on them. Not overly so to where we seem toxic to people suspected of powergaming, but be more strict and such about the definition of powergaming.

On this 'anorexic medium rp' thing. Mind some elaboration on the topic? Haven't played in a while.

[Aedel]

Powergamers don't care about lore.

The people who want a lore change most likely want it because it lets you do more RP stuff.

I mean, if everyone was playing things straight, someone speaking against Nanotrasen practices could very well be charged with treason if it was powerful enough. There is also very little reason for an anti-nanotrasen guy to just decide to work in nanotrasen. You have sleeper agents, assuming that's what revs are, but still. I'd much rather prefer an independent station going to hell because the captain received official looking orders to begin segregating by alcohol tolerance than a Nanotrasen station going to hell because they received official looking orders to begin removing aliens and such.

Plus, again, I don't really like NT. They seem to act within the boundries of 'over the top evil' and 'just evil enough' evil. I don't really see much of a redeeming factor for NT. Suuure, they may have some good sides, but the fact they stepped on so many people to the point that pretty much everyone is against them and still not getting the message to maybe start some PR campaigns that aren't 'NANOTRASEN WANTS YOU TO MINE PHORON.' At least it'd make sense for them to disband their death squad. There's a reason those rumors don't disappear.

* Iceblaster is overthinking NT and probably got things wrong.

As far as "my" Nanotrasen goes, Nanotrasen is 'evil' when it is profitable, which is often, and kind when more profitable than evil. Ask the players when i'm on, Nanotrasen will send fruit baskets to the station for not being idiots and if Glloyd's Syndicate invasion rounds are anything to go by, will sacrifice a few thousand marines to save 15-20 idiots. 

Nanotrasen is pretty schizophrenic about their treatment of everyone else.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Plus its just the loser corps that are against them, the rest of the galaxy really doesn't give a shit aside from mistrusting the large corporation that puts money ahead of people.

NT is supposed to be "The largest, more or less least evil governing corporation around." Urist often plays it comedicly as incompetent, rife with blatant, company breaking internal strife, or cold and callous to the point of villiany.

My point about powergamers and anorexic "medium" RP stand.

Autistic, Ozarck. People say autistic RP standards.

[bluwolfie]

I don't understand why people complain about the RP, there seems to be plenty of RP going on to me.. Just because people aren't writing walls of text and talking a certain way doesn't mean there isn't RP, or even good RP. From what I've seen most of the time people do try to do their jobs and do them right, save for when you have total noobs on board.

[Ozarck]

On this 'anorexic medium rp' thing. Mind some elaboration on the topic? Haven't played in a while.

My point about powergamers and anorexic "medium" RP stand.

Autistic, Ozarck. People say autistic RP standards.

My point is, none of the lore means squat when the RP has lost so much weight it can be classified as anorexic.

I was using a weight metaphor: "heavy" "medium" "light" "underweight" "Starved." I was suggesting that the RP I've experienced in the game over the last six months or more has been mcuh pushed ot the side or limited in ways that it isn't intended to be in our "mediumish" server.

Spoiler: rant on 'light' RP (click to show/hide)

No, Bluwolfie, I am not talking about walls of text. I am talking about being able to carry on a conversation with another character as i that character were actually living in this little world AND other people inside the world affected their lives. "Just gonna do my job and ignore everyone else" is "light." "Oh god, there's villains. Welp, gonna do my job and then head to the emergency escape shuttle because that's how we always leave the station." is light. "Gonna ignore Nanotrasen orders and the value of the station and tear down these walls, vandalize that shit, and steal thoe things in order to make a special room for just us, even though we aren't antags, and ignore anyone who finds this odd" Is light. And the response to the last one from the Captain, HoS, and Heads of the round I am thinking of was "meh nothing to see here." Light. Heck, even "catastrophe! time to round up the SSD guys and get them to escape, because I obviously care about other people" - light.

I've been on rounds with eight or ten people where i could make a dozen comments over the headset and get not one response. And often, when I am an engie, the only interaction I get with anyone is "Onoes the lights went out engineering isn't doing their job fix the engine."

And of course, the powergaming. When the slightest provocation is justification or instant threat of death and pursuit with lethal force. - light.

Spoiler: Nostalgia for 'medium' rp (click to show/hide)

I am comparing this with, what, two years ago? Jacob making a wizard and people chatting with him instead of "lel let's get his hat and staff." Hans coming on and staff of changing me fifty times, dragging me back room a suicidal rush to the airlocks, and trying to staff of change me when my form was dying. Oh, and not instakilling me when I went apeshit on him as alien hunter when he staffed me into that. And Hans, again, when he made ghost stories with Magnetite. Glloyd and ... I forget his character's name, coming in as Nanotrasen command rep and demanding answers before kicking butt. Even Rabid with our "mad gods" arguments inside people's heads. Anyone who would willingly sit down at that bigass dining table in the Cafe and have a party with anyone else. A chef that would actually NOT poison every party goer (conversely, people appreciating any good chef ever. The two clowns I remember ever playing the piano (I was once called "best clown" for that and then, six months later, was ooc criticized heavily for clowning by quoting Bohemian Rhapsody ... light)). People actually enjoying the sketchy mimery of ... I forget what I used to call that one. Mr McPuddles or something. How about people before hand agreeing to all play a related set of jobs, so as to work together?

Spoiler: confessions of a lousy person (click to show/hide)

Not that this will be a surprise to most of you: I'm pretty shitty. I complain a lot when I die. I argue with people for things no one else cares about. I get my feelings hurt a lot. I feel incredibly lonely, and take out my frustrations on others. I bug the admins incessantly and have been much less helpful than self pitying. I simply suck at combat in this game. I am really, really bad at it. I make a lot of mistakes that lock me out of being useful half the time. I have an overdeveloped sense of fairness and try to act immediately to remedy any situation I think is unjust (this has led me to bitching heavily about an antag who had assassinating my character as their objective - they had played well, and I couldn't see it, until later. It takes me forever to admit I'm wrong. Sure I have a few redeeming qualities, but  Iconfess that I have not made the game more interesting or enjoyable by and large, so my complaints on others' playstyle should be taken with this context.

What are some of you guys' favorite RP experiences on Urist?

[bluwolfie]

On this 'anorexic medium rp' thing. Mind some elaboration on the topic? Haven't played in a while.

My point about powergamers and anorexic "medium" RP stand.

Autistic, Ozarck. People say autistic RP standards.

My point is, none of the lore means squat when the RP has lost so much weight it can be classified as anorexic.

I was using a weight metaphor: "heavy" "medium" "light" "underweight" "Starved." I was suggesting that the RP I've experienced in the game over the last six months or more has been mcuh pushed ot the side or limited in ways that it isn't intended to be in our "mediumish" server.

Spoiler: rant on 'light' RP (click to show/hide)

No, Bluwolfie, I am not talking about walls of text. I am talking about being able to carry on a conversation with another character as i that character were actually living in this little world AND other people inside the world affected their lives. "Just gonna do my job and ignore everyone else" is "light." "Oh god, there's villains. Welp, gonna do my job and then head to the emergency escape shuttle because that's how we always leave the station." is light. "Gonna ignore Nanotrasen orders and the value of the station and tear down these walls, vandalize that shit, and steal thoe things in order to make a special room for just us, even though we aren't antags, and ignore anyone who finds this odd" Is light. And the response to the last one from the Captain, HoS, and Heads of the round I am thinking of was "meh nothing to see here." Light. Heck, even "catastrophe! time to round up the SSD guys and get them to escape, because I obviously care about other people" - light.

I've been on rounds with eight or ten people where i could make a dozen comments over the headset and get not one response. And often, when I am an engie, the only interaction I get with anyone is "Onoes the lights went out engineering isn't doing their job fix the engine."

And of course, the powergaming. When the slightest provocation is justification or instant threat of death and pursuit with lethal force. - light.

Spoiler: Nostalgia for 'medium' rp (click to show/hide)

I am comparing this with, what, two years ago? Jacob making a wizard and people chatting with him instead of "lel let's get his hat and staff." Hans coming on and staff of changing me fifty times, dragging me back room a suicidal rush to the airlocks, and trying to staff of change me when my form was dying. Oh, and not instakilling me when I went apeshit on him as alien hunter when he staffed me into that. And Hans, again, when he made ghost stories with Magnetite. Glloyd and ... I forget his character's name, coming in as Nanotrasen command rep and demanding answers before kicking butt. Even Rabid with our "mad gods" arguments inside people's heads. Anyone who would willingly sit down at that bigass dining table in the Cafe and have a party with anyone else. A chef that would actually NOT poison every party goer (conversely, people appreciating any good chef ever. The two clowns I remember ever playing the piano (I was once called "best clown" for that and then, six months later, was ooc criticized heavily for clowning by quoting Bohemian Rhapsody ... light)). People actually enjoying the sketchy mimery of ... I forget what I used to call that one. Mr McPuddles or something. How about people before hand agreeing to all play a related set of jobs, so as to work together?

Spoiler: confessions of a lousy person (click to show/hide)

Not that this will be a surprise to most of you: I'm pretty shitty. I complain a lot when I die. I argue with people for things no one else cares about. I get my feelings hurt a lot. I feel incredibly lonely, and take out my frustrations on others. I bug the admins incessantly and have been much less helpful than self pitying. I simply suck at combat in this game. I am really, really bad at it. I make a lot of mistakes that lock me out of being useful half the time. I have an overdeveloped sense of fairness and try to act immediately to remedy any situation I think is unjust (this has led me to bitching heavily about an antag who had assassinating my character as their objective - they had played well, and I couldn't see it, until later. It takes me forever to admit I'm wrong. Sure I have a few redeeming qualities, but  Iconfess that I have not made the game more interesting or enjoyable by and large, so my complaints on others' playstyle should be taken with this context.

What are some of you guys' favorite RP experiences on Urist?

I understand, I remember back in the day when my character would just sit and hang out with Axl, Hector, and Daniel.. It was almost like watching a show where the characters were actual people. It seems a lot looser than it used to be. I don't really see it as a bad thing though, just a different thing.

[Graknorke]

What are some of you guys' favorite RP experiences on Urist?

Court cases as lawyer. I've only ever done two but they were nearly worth the tens of hours I've put into being a lawyer with nothing to do but casually harass security.

And in general I agree with you. RP is a thing that doesn't really happen.

[hops]

Honestly I want to RP more but I'm incredibly nervous when actually playing Dany as how she's meant to be, so I usually make him comedically aggressive.

[KingofstarrySkies]

Playing as traitor and convincing the Captain that I'm an agent from NT. And then, using his exploitable knowledge to convince him to kill my boss, the RD, and have it done silently and cleanly. After which he encountered an unfortunate and mysterious disappearance. Hm. ;3

[LordSlowpoke]

You do realise that Skrell are allowed head positions, captain is the only job that Skrell really shouldn't be?  That goes for all alien races, excepting Unathi, who shouldn't be Captain, HoS, or HoP.

skrill la skrell can go for captain if absolutely pressed to

unathi can go hos but no other head job (how the fuck do you see a lizard rd or cmo working anyway)

no other nonhumans are ever allowed head jobs

[BFEL]

Honestly I want to RP more but

It's difficult to carry a conversation in text without the other person running off to do their thing, and usually everyone ignores you anyway

[miauw62]

alright so i logged onto tg and looked at the admin memos because i have admin powers on tg
and i saw this

Memo by stickymayhem on 2015-08-07 12:55:15
New Admin Decree: Grisha5 is always valid

[KingofstarrySkies]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[werty892]

Yeaaaahhhh... Honestly I feel we should just move to high rp at this point if we want to have people care about the lore/not powergame at all. High RP without the cancer inducing bits(snowflakes, meing out fights, etc.) I feel would be work out fairly well with our community.