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[Darvi]

Lo and behold.

[Aedel]

Click on the Emitter.png emitter and let it fire FIVE shots at the supermatter. Click on it again to stop it from firing.

All I need to see to know the guide is outdated and won't work. You need ten to fifteen now to get any power at all.

[Darvi]

It's still enough for you to figure out how to make sure the whole thing doesn't go boom. You literally can't fuck this up if you follow the guide (and as you mentioned, yes, you need more more shots now, but if you can't figure out that much then you shouldn't be near the engine anyway).

[TwilightWalker]

It's still enough for you to figure out how to make sure the whole thing doesn't go boom. You literally can't fuck this up if you follow the guide (and as you mentioned, yes, you need more more shots now, but if you can't figure out that much then you shouldn't be near the engine anyway).

Seems so, what I got from the guide was 'Do this to set it up, and then zap it with the emitter cautiously until it hits this amount of power.'

[Darvi]

Basically. You should take any guide with a grain of salt anyway, as none of them were written with our code in mind.

[Jacob/Lee]

Urist McStation code in particular doesn't change all that much, especially not in terms of major features like the supermatter engine. The issue here is that the Baystation wiki (or any wiki for a Space Station 13 server, really) is almost always dated because nobody bothers to update them. Following the wiki has a pretty good chance of triggering a catastrophic failure in just about any revision you try. At least the supermatter will either self-destruct or sit out in the middle of nowhere and blast out massive amounts of radiation, which is pretty tame compared to the perpetual engine of death and destruction that is the singularity moving the wrong way.

[Kriellya]

I've never gotten to play with the singulo, but the supermatter seems way less dangerous in general.

1) It takes a long time to explode if something goes wrong. Assuming the AI isn't messing with you, this makes it basically impossible to *not* eject, at which point you either order a new one or just go with solars. And even if it does go boom, it won't affect much beyond engineering and the nearby maintenance corridors. The rest of the station, and the solars, will still work fine.

2) It's output is currently low enough that you have to take some *minor* risks to get REALLY good power. This makes it more interesting for engineers: We actually have to watch it, and even when its output is good, it's not quite safe enough or high enough to make the solars useless, so we have a reason to do those as well.

3) There is no way to remotely cause it to fail (unless you are AI). As Antag, you MUST be present in engineering for a while sabotaging the supermatter, and your sabotage is either very loud or fairly slow at which point a diligent engineer can catch you or stop whatever you've set in motion.

Spoiler: Random Round (click to show/hide)

This actually happened in one of my favorite rounds. I was coming back from doing Solars and found the captain doing an inspection and found someone else messing with the engine. They tried to claim they were 'turning it on', but a quick examination of the console showed it was quickly getting out of hand. A brief bit of combat and an explosion later, the traitor was splattered on the engineering floor, the captain was asphyxiating while the room depressurized, and I was ignoring the both of them while I ejected the engine

... oh don't give me that look, I got the captain out safe. Didn't even have to clone him.

Compared with the singulo, where...
1) On a good day, the station is fucked. On a bad day, the escape shuttle is fucked.
2) It produces enough power that you might leave it unattended, which means...
3) The antag can get in, set a remote signal to the emitter console, and then trigger it later at any point. This can make it very difficult to stop, and kind of uninteresting for the engineers. Though if they see the console trigger in front of them, they'll know what's up.

Though in both cases, the AI is just ridiculous

[Darvi]

The last version of the singulo I've worked with actually couldn't me left unattended. If you kept the PA turned off, it would inevitably shrink, and if you kept it on, it would always grow. So you had to periodically wait for it to shrink before firing at it again.

[Nienhaus]

Pretty sure you can set it to 0 and leave it on. I don't think they would change that.

[Liction]

Supermatter if you know what you are doing is fairly easy. The only real danger from supermatter is the radiation and that can be negated with a radiation suit. The singularity engine on the other hand can kill you in a lot of different ways from just setting it up. On top of the radiation it gives out when its on, it pulls of anyone and anything not bolted down or wearing magboots and spews of emp every so often and likes to shock the airlocks among other things. There is also the danger of emitters shooting you in the back, containment field frying you if you are too close or pulled in, and even less common baycode/baymed dangers like forgetting to turn on your o2 and getting a ruptured lung from taking too long to turn it on or frying any prosthetics or pacemakers you have. This is just the dangers you get from regular operation.

When the supermatter goes critical you get a loud warning telling you engineering is about to get wrecked and the damage while large and creates a lagspike is often contained to just engineering and also irridating everyone everywhere, even on the asteroid, with atmos problems in the longer term if breaches are not sealed, which unfortunately is a common occurrence if there are no good engineers. The singularity on the other hand makes engineering a complete death zone when it grows to the SINGLOTH, it complete wrecks engineering with no hope of fixing it and depending on your luck it may either drift out into space spareing the station or become a atmos and /del lag filled vortex of death and destruction from which there is only pain and robusteding, while staring off into the uncomprehensible abyss of the SINGLOTH until everything you know and love to hate is sucked off into oblivion.

tl;dr singlo is probably much more dangerous then the supermatter, which is fine, but it can also be a lag filled ball of hate and lag and lag when provoked while the supermatter ejaculates most of its lag in one go and is not too bad to return from.

[Darvi]

Pretty sure you can set it to 0 and leave it on. I don't think they would change that.

Nope, it did degrade. It wouldn't surprise me if they changed it back due to complaints, though.

[Aedel]

Pretty sure you can set it to 0 and leave it on. I don't think they would change that.

Nope, it did degrade. It wouldn't surprise me if they changed it back due to complaints, though.

The singularity shrinks and grows when the power is set to 0. It can't sustain its size at three, but zero power is enough to make a size two grow.

Probably not what you meant though.

[jetex1911]

 

Spoiler: bring back combustion engine 2554 (click to show/hide)

[Darvi]

YES PLEASE

[SOLDIER First]

sonic grenades + earplugs + fire suit