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[fqllve]

F) There was a time when I used to use drugs recreationally, I don't anymore though because 1) they're expensive, 2) they're mostly illegal (and difficult to acquire because of that) 3) they never did anything to actually increase my quality of life, 4) they seemed to be the only basis for several of my friendships, and 5) I felt like I was unable to be creative without them and I was using them as a crutch to augment my enjoyment of already enjoyable things.

Now I don't even drink caffeine, although I will have a glass of scotch occasionally or a good beer or glass of wine with a meal.

Mostly though:

Even sarcastic people know that!

Sigged.

[Korbac]

I echo my views that any sort of benefit that you can get from 'drugs' (talking about the usual offenders : illegal, booze, nicotine, caffiene) can be generated yourself in your mind with a sufficient amount of willpower.

KAKAROT

DRINK THIS BEER

NO WAY VEGETA I'M STUPID ENOUGH AS IT IS

GRRR KAKAROT HOW COME YOU ALWAYS DO THINGS BETTERRRR

[penguinofhonor]

d) I frequently use psychoactive substances, because ...

Cause I enjoy them. I like new experiences, and taking my mind places it wouldn't go otherwise.

They can be harmful, but people make harmful decisions all the time.

[Muz]

Somewhere between a and b.
so f.

Meth, weed, ecstasy is ok. But won't do it because no reason to and plenty of reasons not to.

Heroin is evil and should be wiped out.

Tobacco/alcohol actually scores fairly high on the danger/addiction chart and should be considered almost like cocaine. Cocaine should stay banned lest it become like tobacco/alcohol/

Addictive things should have legislative things against them. Dangerous things that are non-addictive (like skydiving and sugar) should be perfectly legal.

Not so much because of the addiction, but because of misleading advertising.. if there was a 100% awareness of the dangers of heroin or crack or alcohol, it should be kept out of the way. There's probably a 100% awareness of the dangers of smoking, so I'm fine with it being legal.

[penguinofhonor]

I actually think addictive drugs need legalized more so they can be regulated.

The methamphetamine molecule itself doesn't give you that beautiful "I'm a meth head" look. The shitty quality of street meth does. If all addictive drugs were regulated heavily against contaminants then we could probably get a few more addicts from increased availability and still have less harm done by the drugs overall.

[Meph]

I'd rather not ingest toxins for shits and giggles.

+1

B) for me.
A) sounds simply worng, you cant "cure" the want for drugs. Addiction yes, stupidity no.

[fqllve]

A) sounds simply worng, you cant "cure" the want for drugs. Addiction yes, stupidity no.

You can't cure addiction either. As a former smoker I can assure you that I will always and forever be addicted to nicotine.

Haha but yes, let's generalize the multifaceted and complex reasons people take drugs as stupidity. But yeah, just calling it stupidity does pretty much guarantee we'll never be able to lower rates of drug use, luckily there are usually other factors involved.

[Zangi]

Legalization with heavy-handed regulation on means of distribution by 'dealers'.

[Meph]

Yes, stupidity is maybe taking it a bit far, but its true that most drug users are uneducated/lower-class. Or backpackers

From my personal point of view its stupid to take drugs, because you pay money to literally poison your body. As an athlete that is a complete no-go. Same for cigarettes and alcohol in my case. I'd never smoke or drink

What I dont understand is how a goverment can legalize tobacco and alcohol, but not Marihuana... thats a bit hippocritical. ^^

[GlyphGryph]

Yes, stupidity is maybe taking it a bit far, but its true that most drug users are uneducated/lower-class.

Hahahaha *breathe* hahahah. This is a hilariously naive sentiment. It's also untrue. The drugs used may differ by class, but everyone knows that drugs are the normal past time of the rich and famous, especially since unlike poor users they don't have to worry about the law screwing them over because of it. Hell, I'd argue one of the main factors for drug use is opportunity, and a big factor in opportunity is disposable income. Statistics show the middle and upper classes are huuuuuge drug users and abusers.

I love the added value judgement that lower class people are incurably stupid as well. Wonderful set of judgements you've got there.

From my personal point of view its stupid to take drugs, because you pay money to literally poison your body. As an athlete that is a complete no-go. Same for cigarettes and alcohol in my case. I'd never smoke or drink

It's a bit weird that most Athletes are junkies then, isn't it? It's not exactly a well hidden secret that pro-athletes practically have using drugs as a job requirement. If you've got an aversion to using drugs (or, in general, destroying your body long term to get ahead while in your prime), you probably aren't going to make it in the big leagues, kid.

What I dont understand is how a goverment can legalize tobacco and alcohol, but not Marihuana... thats a bit hippocritical. ^^

Now this is true. I especially like that you used the legislation-specific spelling of Marihuana.

[Meph]

You have to make a distinction bewteen percentages and total numbers. Yes, famous celebrities and rockstars and so forth have a high rate of drug abuse, but they make up a miniscule part of the worlds population. Uneducated people are usually poorer then better educated people, because they cant get well paid jobs. I also say that most athletes are not junkies and/or use drugs. The small group of absolute top athletes that do actual athletics, yes, I do believe that most of them do use drugs... but not athletes that do, lets say, car racing, downhill biking, parachutes, diving, mountaineering... and and and...

I am not into argueing on the internet ^^ I am not a pro-athlete, but do extreme sports. No doping involved for jumping of things and similar nonsense.

I just wanted to post my personal opinion, and it probably wildly differ from yours, because we are probably from different countries. Thats where my curious spelling of Marihuana comes from, its the german word for it. Didnt realize its spelled different in english.

[lordcooper]

Meph is right.  This is why nobody who works or studies in a University takes recreational drugs.

[GlyphGryph]

Yeah, amateur athletes I've met seem to be generally drug-free, aside from booze and pot which is common but not TOO common.

Anyways, according to everything I've ever read on PubMed, research indicates the poor are the least likely to engage in both legal and illegal drug use.

"Legal and illegal use of drugs was most strongly associated with age, sex, and income. Higher income was associated with a greater likelihood of drug use for all drug types examined, which is perhaps not surprising given that drug use requires disposable income."
source

You seem to be operating under a lot of misconceptions, and I apologize for my tone, which is inappropriate and overly confrontational. But your facts are wrong - I suggest you get new ones, and reconsider the views that led you to them.

This even holds across countries - high income countries, such as the US, have far higher levels of drug use than lower income countries.
"Globally, drug use is not distributed evenly. In general, the US had among the highest levels of use of all drugs. Much lower levels were observed in lower income countries in Africa and the Middle East, and lower levels of use were reported in the Asian locales covered."
source

[Meph]

Are we speaking about illegal drugs, or drugs. Like all drugs, which includes nicotine and alcohol?

EDIT: Forget what I said, your post says "legal and illegal". I will do some reasearch before coming back.

Just a little footnote: None of my friends or people I usually associate with take illegal drugs or smoke. Not one of them ^^ My entire knowledge is theoratical in that matter.

[GlyphGryph]

It's across every single class and category of drug (meaning, as individual comparisons). Check the study.

There is no drug class that is used more heavily by the poor than by the well off. (individual drugs is a different story - obviously the cheaper and more dangerous shit is more likely to be bought by the poor, which the obvious terrible consequences...)

Just a little footnote: None of my friends or people I usually associate with take illegal drugs or smoke. Not one of them ^^ My entire knowledge is theoratical in that matter.

Me neither, actually. Many in my social circle don't even drink, and the occasional drink is all I use on the drug front.