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[Virex]

People, it's jut an unsightly flab of useless skin. Stop acting like removing it is the end of the world.

[Leafsnail]

People, it's jut an unsightly flab of useless skin. Stop acting like removing it is the end of the world.

Did you actually read the OP?

[Owlbread]

People, it's jut an unsightly flab of useless skin. Stop acting like removing it is the end of the world.

I believe it acts as a form of fleshy lubricant to ensure that sex feels better for men. In any case, I'd rather not decide to mutilate my son's genitals because a twisted God really cares about it that much or because I think it'll make him cleaner.

[Xantalos]

People, it's jut an unsightly flab of useless skin. Stop acting like removing it is the end of the world.

It's not so much that as 'doing it without baby's permission and the baby may regret it later in life' that's the problem.

[frostshotgg]

Whether it would last longer or shorter than this thread is also debateable.

I don't think this thread has enough left in it to break 10 pages. People tend to get much more emotionally involved and more dogmatic and likely to say "LALALALAICANTHEARYOUIMRIGHTIMTHECENTEROFTHEWORLDLALALALASCREWYOUIHAVEANECDOTALEVIDENCESAYINGIMBETTERLALALA" when penises get involved.
Vaccines are a much safer place to debate, assuming people don't derail it into circumcision or the like.

[Aklyon]

As long as people don't derail into circumcision or badly-supported autism link theories, yes, vaccines would probably be a 'safer' debate.

[Leafsnail]

Vaccines are a much safer place to debate, assuming people don't derail it into circumcision or the like.

So I guess you missed all those "vaccines cause autism" scares?

Or any number of other "vaccines cause x or y" scares.

[Loud Whispers]

People, it's jut an unsightly flab of useless skin. Stop acting like removing it is the end of the world.

The foreskin is a protective piece of skin that contains anywhere from one third to almost a half of total penile skin and can contain around 20,000 to 70,000 receptor nerves. Removing it does have serious ramifications where sex health is concerned.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Bauglir]

People, it's jut an unsightly flab of useless skin. Stop acting like removing it is the end of the world.

The foreskin is a protective piece of skin that contains anywhere from one third to almost a half of total penile skin and can contain around 20,000 to 70,000 receptor nerves. Removing it does have serious ramifications where sex health is concerned.

Wanna guess how many white blood cells there are in your tonsils? Big numbers don't necessarily mean importance. Not to say tonsils are useless, but rather that saying something that sounds impressive and providing evidence of the importance are not the same thing.

It's frustrating to read this thread (and the last few discussions we've had on the topic), because I'm sure there are some good arguments against it. I've been looking for the original article that was the source for the OP's link, but I've been having trouble finding it. It's definitely necessary, because the news article has definite spin; quotes like, "It's a small difference, but a significant one" are the sort of thing that, while technically correct (because significance is a measure of statistical reliability), are likely to be misinterpreted by most casual readers. I think I found an entry on Web of Science, but it's a fairly old article with no citations that's been cited by no one (read: probably, it's bullshit), and the links to the article proper were dead, so I couldn't really do much with it. The actual source would be great. If it's come up earlier in the thread, I apologize for missing it.

Most of what I see in these discussions, when it comes to opposing circumcision, are appeals to emotion ("How can you possibly support genital mutilation?"), premature claims about a parent's rights (all of which assume it's agreed that circumcision is a Bad Thing because they point out, quite rightly, that limits can be placed on objectively wrong parental actions), and arguments from contextless data. I don't think we're going to have many interesting discussions while that's the case. Yeah, I get that it's an emotional issue for you, but it isn't for most of the people you're trying to convince so you're probably not going to get anywhere by getting upset at me for looking for something rational.

[Aklyon]

I think thats a good point to end this at.

[frostshotgg]

Well said Bauglir.

[Leafsnail]

Wanna guess how many white blood cells there are in your tonsils? Big numbers don't necessarily mean importance. Not to say tonsils are useless, but rather that saying something that sounds impressive and providing evidence of the importance are not the same thing.

Oh, and since we allow parents to take out their kid's tonsils for non-medical reasons we should also allow circumcision!

(seriously stop making these analogies)

I think thats a good point to end this at.

"All arguments should end with a point by someone I agree with"

[Bauglir]

Not really a relevant criticism? An analogy will typically not be perfect, because if it were it'd be a comparison between two identical things. I wasn't talking there about the legality or morality of something, but of how silly it is to throw numbers that, while true, are between meaningless and completely lacking in context. I could pick something else, if you wanted, like the volume of the Earth's atmosphere to prove that CO₂ emissions from human sources are so small that anthropogenic global warming must be wrong*. Would that be preferable?

My point isn't that circumcision is definitely and without caveat acceptable, for whatever that's worth. It's the whole intellectual dishonesty thing that bugs me.

*EDIT: That claim is bullshit. Hopefully that's obvious, because the whole point is that it's ridiculous.

[frostshotgg]

Leaf that wasn't what Baug was saying with that at all. He was complaining at the lack of context for the number. His entire post was about how poor the whole debate is.