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[Scoops Novel]

The concentration of people here that don't eat tasty animal meat is astounding to me.

Personally, I am totally for People Eating Tasty Animals.  I have no compulsion to care about the morale and ethical reasons why I shouldn't, cause it is not even a factor in my decision to eat tasty animals.  Yes, I do know of what 'horrors' that may befall these poor poor animals.  I am not moved.

How about People eating dead People? Just wondering, omnivore here. By not moved, do you mean you don't find it a good reason not to eat meat, or not a good reason to farm them differently? If so, does kicking the dog not work for you? Please enlighten me.

Cannibalism: Sure, go ahead, face the consequences of it.
My monkeysphere does not extend to critters that are born and raised to be food.  Nor the wildlife that is hunted for food.
As long as it is not 'my' dog.  Of course, if I dislike the person themself, it would be pretty easy to get them into trouble...

To be clear, is unnecessary pain immaterial or not?

[Scoops Novel]

I personally have no problems eating meat, as I don't assign any value to the lives, comfort, or happiness of animals.
I see them as a resource to be used, no different from an inanimate object.

Do you extend this to other human beings, and if not what relevant characteristics giving value to a life are so basic that every human possesses them, while all animals lack them?

I assign an inherent value to human life, since I myself am a human.

You're also alive, right? Similar question as above.

[pisskop]

My rule is that I won't eat anything that convinces me I shouldn't eat it. Trite as it sounds, it's the only moral standard that absolutely everyone holds to.

I agree.  But meat is good.  I'll not be shamed out of eating it or indulging myself.

[misko27]

My rule is that I won't eat anything that convinces me I shouldn't eat it. Trite as it sounds, it's the only moral standard that absolutely everyone holds to.

I agree.  But meat is good.

This. If it could convince me otherwise, I will not eat it.

[Pnx]

My rule is that I won't eat anything that convinces me I shouldn't eat it. Trite as it sounds, it's the only moral standard that absolutely everyone holds to.

I agree.  But meat is good.

This. If it could convince me otherwise, I will not eat it.

Well there is the main reason why I've been trying to edge towards vegetarianism, it's a big source of cholesterol, and raises your risk of stomach/colon cancer. Not to mention some other possible health concerns with regards to the antibiotics, growth hormones, and just the general chemicals that the animal you're eating has picked up through it's food/water/environment.

There's also the argument that since crops take less land to feed a person than animals eating crops do that you eat more efficiently, but of course there's also concerns that switching to a more crop based diet encourages the whole flooding the ecosystem with nitrogen issue (though this only holds any water if you happen to be eating animals that aren't fed crops, which most farm animals are).

But the argument of "It's bad for you", isn't something that seems to motivate a lot of people to eat less meat... so meh.

[Zangi]

To be clear, is unnecessary pain immaterial or not?

In a financial/economical sense, abused animals are more likely to die prematurely or contract problems that would drop its worth.  But, in the case of the more restrictive/'passively abusive' farm factories, space is a premium that outweighs the mortality potential (and the cost of vaccinations/stuff against sickness).  There is also the fact that for some farm factory animals, allowing them to outside is very risky, due to possible disease spreading from the local wildlife/avian populations...  (hint of anything close to avian influenza = mass genocide of the flocks that even looks like they could have it).

Unnecessary pain would be when the farmhands do things on their own, like hitting the animals and what-not.  No company/farmer needs or wants people handling their animals like that, ever.  Though, it is easy to tell when your butcher plant calls in and complains about 'black and blue' animals.  Or if you do the butchering yourself, you'll clearly see the results of poor/rough handling and abuse.

For example, poultry, it is pretty easy to see bruising and stuff on them after rough handling...  Discerning customers/restaurants, will complain about that, ask for a discount and/or return it.  (At least in the case of the Chinese customers.)
I do not know the case of factory type cookeries.

So yes, unnecessary pain has a material cost... / not immaterial.  (US Courts do 'reward' on pain received too, don't they?)

[10ebbor10]

Yeah, Cancer risks are sometimes incredibly overstated.

[Xantalos]

Yeah, Cancer risks are sometimes incredibly overstated.

Did you k ow that being alive increases your risk of getting cancer by as much as 100%?

[Zangi]

Yeah, Cancer risks are sometimes incredibly overstated.

Did you k ow that being alive increases your risk of getting cancer by as much as 100%?

I believe being alive also increases your chance of death by 100%.

[Bauglir]

Yeah, Cancer risks are sometimes incredibly overstated.

Did you k ow that being alive increases your risk of getting cancer by as much as 100%?

You mean infinity percent?

Depends on if we're talking about percent, or percentage points.

[Xantalos]

Yeah, Cancer risks are sometimes incredibly overstated.

Did you k ow that being alive increases your risk of getting cancer by as much as 100%?

I believe being alive also increases your chance of death by 100%.

Damn, this is an incredibly risky practice! We should warn the public of it.

[Scoops Novel]

Zangi, does it matter or not ethically? That's all i want to know.

[Zangi]

Zangi, does it matter or not ethically? That's all i want to know.

To me, no, unless it is convenient to.

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[Scoops Novel]

Zangi, does it matter or not ethically? That's all i want to know.

To me, no.

And the distinction between caring about the well being of your dog and for the sake of the argument a wolf is?

[Zangi]

Zangi, does it matter or not ethically? That's all i want to know.

To me, no.

And the distinction between caring about the well being of your dog and for the sake of the argument a wolf is?

The dog is mine.  Does the dog not keep me company or watch over my house?  Do you take care of your things? 

Also, I wanted to add, unless it is convenient to.