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[nenjin]

Vegetarian for moral reasons, here. Pretty much agree with MSH that vat grown meat is the wave of the future (currently) that will solve 99.999% of the problems here.

Life is consumptive. Even without eating animals, you eat something and it ceases to exist in the same form. It may not have sentience, not that we can prove anyways, but something is still destroyed/transform to prolong existence.

So I don't see an issue with it. To me, it's how the universe is wired. As soon as someone can come up with a way that we can derive energy from sources without destroying said source of energy.....I'll reorder my paradigm. But it's pretty much a fundamental tenet of reality to me.

Your argument supports cannibalism just as much as eating animals. (also note that most animals are sentient, but not "sapient," which is a very very vague term)

In a sense, yes, it does. Although I didn't state whatever qualifiers prevent you from committing cannibalism. More to the point I was making though, consumption = destruction, regardless of the level of sentience, sapience or cuddliness of said thing. In that sense we're all unethical at the same level.

But I don't subscribe to the vegetarian point of view, as I kind of find the height of silliness to not to do animals what they naturally do each other in their own environment. When the wolves start honestly laying down with the sheep on a species-wide basis, I'll start feeling bad for eating meat.

[Frumple]

I'll just say I'm terribly looking forward to genuine replacement meat, vat meat or whatever else science pulls from its arse, hitting the market and becoming affordable.

Though yeah, in regards to pigs, that little fuzzy bastard would eat you, given half a chance. Cuteness is irrelevant, I have no issue eating what would eat me (providing it tastes good _{and bacon is delicious}).

[Scoops Novel]

I'm glad you're being intelligent about this as usual, Bay 12. I was hoping people wouldn't say that we should stop eating animals for illogical ideological reasons. However, the same counterargument still holds ground; if we don't need meat we wont bother with the animals that give it to us. They'll be mass cullings, and i suspect it would take many generations for the amount of animals that have lived human free in the wild outstrip the ones killed then or because of overgrazing and suchlike from a lack of natural predators.

[Levi]

I'm glad you're being intelligent about this as usual, Bay 12. I was hoping people wouldn't say that we should stop eating animals for illogical ideological reasons. However, the same counterargument still holds ground; if we don't need meat we wont bother with the animals that give it to us. They'll be mass cullings, and i suspect it would take many generations for the amount of animals that have lived human free in the wild outstrip the ones killed then or because of overgrazing and suchlike from a lack of natural predators.

I'm pretty sure cows and chickens would go extinct pretty quick if we left them to their own devices.    

[nenjin]

I'm glad you're being intelligent about this as usual, Bay 12. I was hoping people wouldn't say that we should stop eating animals for illogical ideological reasons. However, the same counterargument still holds ground; if we don't need meat we wont bother with the animals that give it to us. They'll be mass cullings, and i suspect it would take many generations for the amount of animals that have lived human free in the wild outstrip the ones killed then or because of overgrazing and suchlike from a lack of natural predators.

I'm pretty sure cows and chickens would go extinct pretty quick if we left them to their own devices.   

Eh. They'd just revert to their feral forms after a generation or less. See: Releasing domesticated pigs back into the wilderness. They'd do just fine (generally speaking.)

[Frumple]

I'm glad you're being intelligent about this as usual, Bay 12. I was hoping people wouldn't say that we should stop eating animals for illogical ideological reasons. However, the same counterargument still holds ground; if we don't need meat we wont bother with the animals that give it to us. They'll be mass cullings, and i suspect it would take many generations for the amount of animals that have lived human free in the wild outstrip the ones killed then or because of overgrazing and suchlike from a lack of natural predators.

... I can only half parse that for some reason, but nah, there's not really enough left of the wild, by and large, to support the current farmed population, so far as I'm aware. But preservation issues are a sorta' separate issue, for all that the consequences of actually stopping animal farming would be pretty significant regarding the animals themselves (I'd give strong odds a good chunk of them would be extinct within a few generations, t'be honest, if only because a goodly number of the non-domestic relative species are already endangered, from what I understand.).

I'm pretty sure cows and chickens would go extinct pretty quick if we left them to their own devices.   

Naaah, chickens would probably be fine, I think. There's still decent wild populations of those, iirc. They're vicious little bastards, and their dietary habits (i.e. goddamn everything) means they've got a pretty decent range. Cows... less so. That's more of a range issue, and it's pretty much a given we're not going to yield much land to 'em if we're not eating them.

[Scoops Novel]

At the stage where we can produce affordable vat grown meat for much of humanity, we'll likely need all the space we can get.

[nenjin]

I for one look forward to our VAT-MEAT SPIRES^(TM)

[penguinofhonor]

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[10ebbor10]

At the stage where we can produce affordable vat grown meat for much of humanity, we'll likely need all the space we can get.

Actually, we're just about finalizing the vat grown meat thing. Unfortunately, it's still not economical, it hasn't been tested yet, and
"Freshly grown fish* tumours"
doesn't make a good marketing phrase.

*Technically not meat I suppose, but growing fish is easier for some reason.

Oh and yeah, there are quite a few (sub) species that just can't survive in the wild anymore because of human selection.  I don't think any species will dissappear, but some might be a bit weakened.

I have more respect for illogical vegetarians than illogical non-vegetarians. I mean, one group is really empathetic without having thought it through and the other group just parrots "But how can you not eat bacon?" at vegetarians constantly. One group is naive but well-meaning while the other group fuels most of their arguments with internet memes and links to Epic Meal Time.

Vegans, on the other hand, are just hilarious.

Fruitanists are even worse. (Ie, not wanting to hurt animal nor plant)

[Scoops Novel]

I want to make a joke, but that's too depressing.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Levi]

Yep. Human life > animal life. Animal life should only be preserved when we can do it without harming/endangering humans.

Yeah this.  Its one thing to eat meat as a luxury, but if you are doing it for survival then all the power to you.

[Korbac]

Hilariously, I'm not sure I could manage to catch a Squirrel without a lot of prior practice.

[Loud Whispers]

As it stands I am currently more concerned as to the ecological impacts of raising animals for slaughter.