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[gogis]

Human bodies was meant to eat meat plus SOME veggies.
Actually all problems we have now happened due agriculture invention leading to overpopulation.
Millions years as mostly carnivores vs 10k years of agriculture?
I take meat. Anyday. And it's healthier than gorging on grain.

[DrPoo]

Do also take note of how our eyes point forward like adogs, not outwards like a horse.

[Scelly9]

Actually all problems we have now happened due agriculture invention leading to overpopulation.

That's a bit far fetched.

[Vattic]

Human bodies was meant to eat meat plus SOME veggies.
Actually all problems we have now happened due agriculture invention leading to overpopulation.
Millions years as mostly carnivores vs 10k years of agriculture?
I take meat. Anyday. And it's healthier than gorging on grain.

More like the other way around. Vegetables plus some meat if you want to stay healthy. Humans and their ancestors will have been eating fruit and other plants long before we started hunting.

Do also take note of how our eyes point forward like adogs, not outwards like a horse.

That's a primate adaptation likely to have come from depth perception being handy for climbing trees.

[Xantalos]

Human bodies was meant to eat meat plus SOME veggies.
Actually all problems we have now happened due agriculture invention leading to overpopulation.
Millions years as mostly carnivores vs 10k years of agriculture?
I take meat. Anyday. And it's healthier than gorging on grain.

Obvious solution: grainimals: grain that's animals!

[Scelly9]

Human bodies was meant to eat meat plus SOME veggies.
Actually all problems we have now happened due agriculture invention leading to overpopulation.
Millions years as mostly carnivores vs 10k years of agriculture?
I take meat. Anyday. And it's healthier than gorging on grain.

Obvious solution: grainimals: grain that's animals!

Not to self: Do not let Xantalos gain access to gene engineering lab.

[Xantalos]

Human bodies was meant to eat meat plus SOME veggies.
Actually all problems we have now happened due agriculture invention leading to overpopulation.
Millions years as mostly carnivores vs 10k years of agriculture?
I take meat. Anyday. And it's healthier than gorging on grain.

Obvious solution: grainimals: grain that's animals!

Not to self: Do not let Xantalos gain access to gene engineering lab.

Too late. Long story short, they sprout from growths on the walls and then shoot out spawn to infect a host to form a new tumor. GoodluckIgottagobye

[Naryar]

also, feeling empathy towards creatures that are unable of it is anormal.

I do however believe that if we are to kill or maim an animal, it is best to minimize suffering

does not compute

"Not feeling empathy" does not mean "like to cause suffering".

Human bodies was meant to eat meat plus SOME veggies.
Actually all problems we have now happened due agriculture invention leading to overpopulation.
Millions years as mostly carnivores vs 10k years of agriculture?
I take meat. Anyday. And it's healthier than gorging on grain.

Obvious solution: grainimals: grain that's animals!

Not to self: Do not let Xantalos gain access to gene engineering lab.

I thought Bay12 encouraged slightly improbable and slightly amoral science ?

[Vattic]

"Not feeling empathy" does not mean "like to cause suffering".

I can still understand the confusion. Personally I care about the suffering because of empathy.

[gogis]

Human bodies was meant to eat meat plus SOME veggies.
Actually all problems we have now happened due agriculture invention leading to overpopulation.
Millions years as mostly carnivores vs 10k years of agriculture?
I take meat. Anyday. And it's healthier than gorging on grain.

More like the other way around. Vegetables plus some meat if you want to stay healthy. Humans and their ancestors will have been eating fruit and other plants long before we started hunting.

Do also take note of how our eyes point forward like adogs, not outwards like a horse.

That's a primate adaptation likely to have come from depth perception being handy for climbing trees.

Where you get this information?  Vegetables was seasonal, fruits was not even remotely that tasty like nowadays (do you ever tried wild apples? bitter as fuck and small as peanuts) and in some regions (take inuits) was nothing else but meat. Ratio was more like 95% animal, 5% - vegeterian.

Agriculture allowed all this boom of population, because it's so easy to settle and feed on crops instead of running down mammots.

[DJ]

Humans and their ancestors will have been eating fruit and other plants long before we started hunting.

Pandas' and pigs' ancestors were purely carnivorous, ancestors of our fruit eating ancestors were eating insects, what's your point?

[Muz]

After thinking about it for a while, I don't think I'd might a vastly more sentient species than me (something like the difference between cows and humans in terms of intelligence) actually using people as food. As long as we're not kept in cages and get to have free range sex and play video games all day.

Becoming obese, never having to worry about working or wearing pants, living until the ripe adult age of 20 doesn't seem so bad if you're enjoying it.

Would probably be insulting if some slightly more intelligent species were doing it, like other humans, or the aliens in XCOM. It's easier to accept when you have absolutely no possibility of escaping.

[Vattic]

Where you get this information?  Vegetables was seasonal, fruits was not even remotely that tasty like nowadays (do you ever tried wild apples? bitter as fuck and small as peanuts) and in some regions (take inuits) was nothing else but meat. Ratio was more like 95% animal, 5% - vegeterian.

Agriculture allowed all this boom of population, because it's so easy to settle and feed on crops instead of running down mammots.

Firstly our ancestors were unlikely to have been eating wild apples because of where we are from and not all wild fruit is bad. Besides that I wonder why our ancestors would care more about bitter fruit than other primates?

What you say about the inuit and other northern peoples is true but only because of the limited availability of plant foods. More equatorial peoples tend to get far more of their food from plants (up to 50%). The average hunter gatherer diet today consists of 64–68% animal and 32–36% plant based foods.

Our nearest relative the chimpanzee and ourselves have a functionally very similar digestive tract. They are largely fruit eaters with 95% of their calories coming from plants supplemented by animal based foods. Don't get me wrong, when it comes to diet I see an omnivorous one to be the healthier option most of the time and most clearly what we evolved for. I just disagree that we should only eat "some" vegetables.

As for tying the population boom to agriculture: This is a chicken and egg situation. Did we start farming because an increased population left us no choice or did population increase because we had more food from farming? It certainly appears that early farming peoples were less of stature than neighbouring hunters but there is debate about if it was diet that caused this also. The stature of modern farming peoples is certainly greater than that of modern hunters. If you haven't read it before I strongly suggest Gun Germs and Steel which talks about this in some detail.

Humans and their ancestors will have been eating fruit and other plants long before we started hunting.

Pandas' and pigs' ancestors were purely carnivorous, ancestors of our fruit eating ancestors were eating insects, what's your point?

That line was meant to contrast gogis point about us shifting from hunters into farmers. Mostly it was to highlight the flaw in choosing to mainly eat meat based on our having been mostly hunters for longer than we've been mostly farmers by pointing out that we've gone through long times of mostly eating fruit also.

Our fruit eating ancestors would have likely been eating insects too.

[kingfisher1112]

I eat meat, and tend not to care about the animals I get it from. Other animals can, why can't I?

[Scoops Novel]

I usually tend to judge all life based upon its individual actions and intentions, rather than the form it happens to take, and thus generally don't see any entity as inherently more valuable than any other. Because of this, whenever I must fulfill my mortal need for sustenance, I'm pretty much willing to consume whatever is available to me; be it plant, insect, animal, human, or whatever.

That being said, I stand strongly against the unnecessary suffering of any life form, and strive to prevent it from occurring whenever & wherever I am able.

That's a non-sequitur, to be honest. Presumably go going via the least pain-induced, you'd focus on the less intelligent forms of life. It doesn't work in a worth vs value sense, either. If you were guaranteed the same amount of suffering would result from eating a fly or a baby, you would choose the fly. Part of this is because you're human and as such can't be entirely neutral, but i doubt that would be the prime factor.

Actually, if those were my only two options, I'd probably end up eating both of them in short order. As a single fly sure as hell isn't going to do much to stave off my hunger.
In fact, I may even come to the conclusion that the nourishment gained from eating the lone fly would be so insignificant that it wouldn't be worth the suffering brought about by devouring it in the first place, ultimately deciding to disregard the fly as a meal choice altogether.

Cannibalism is a great way to get a prion disease.

Bah, I can potentially contract diseases from a lot of things I partake in. Seeing as I've somehow managed to stay fit and healthy thus far in spite of that, I don't any reason why I wouldn't take my chances with long pork as well.

Perhaps there should be more focus on making human flesh safer for human consumption, though. After all, there's a practically limitless supply of dead people to go around, it would help us to become less dependent on farm animals for meat, and just think of all the space we'd save without the need for those pesky graveyards. It's the perfect solution!

Oh come on. You know what i meant. Shall we say a giant frog of equal size, with either choice being the only meal you'd ever need? With the exact same amount of suffering induced from either death through a carefully arranged butterfly effect.