Quadressence, the town works as a team. We are all trying to find scum together, therefore do you not agree it follows that they who withdraws their list of reads is scum?
*The sleuthette takes off her hat and opens her eyes really big.*
Well, gosh mister. When you put it like that, there's almost a 100% chance that only scum would do that and nobody else for any reason ever.
*She stops mocking him and replaces the hat.*
Why would I agree with that? It's not true. I didn't withhold all of my reads either. I simply gave the ones that mattered. I have not given up finding scum, as can be told by my reasoning for suspecting IronyOwl, so how can you assume that not listing my reads on everyone is suspicious? No one has given me a reason other than everyone else did it.
The reason was, you were asked. Generally when one is asked a question in Mafia, you answer. No being clever or dodging it, because it will look scummy.
That has got me interested though, why are the only ones that matter the ones everyone else is going for? Don't you think you might be getting a bit of tunnel vision?
*The sleuthette throws away her detective outfit, revealing a witch's costume underneath. Her black pointed hat nearly blows away, but she catches it in time, planting it squarely on her head. She brushes off her skirt.*
Okay, then, what's your social security and credit card number?
I can't conceive of ceasing cleverness. I was born with such horrible afflictions, diseases, malformations -- Smarts! How dare it!
*The witch moves to sit down, a broom materializing under her. The broom sinks slightly as she sits down before levitating her.*
I have posted who I believed was most suspicious and also least suspicious. Much more than most, who amuse themselves with omnireads, most of which contain less information that I have given. Simply, I won't answer, for several reasons really.
One, I've now resigned myself not to answer it, so I wouldn't feel good about answering it. Two, if I answer it, I'll be indited as being pressured (
ICs can confirm, I assure you!) which would only make me look more suspicious. Three, I'll have contributed no additional information to finding scum, as IronyOwl has shown himself to be incredibly suspicious.
As for tunnel vision, of course not. If anything, people will tunnel vision me. I'm very attractive. Who wouldn't want to waste wonders on wandering women? Ridiculously refuses the regular road righteously? Everyone is removing themselves from the game to try to get me to answer a question that has no right answer other than to not answer it. *The witch turns and laughs.* Tunnel vision? *She laughs again.*
Quadressence:You missed a fair bit of my post. Please address the following:
In fact, you completely missed the point. The point is that everything you say or do can be used against you. The fact that I refuse to give my reads can be used against me. The fact that I am speaking right now can be used against me. Everything can be used against me. Are you suggesting that there is only one way to obtain information?
I didn't miss this point. My question is, Why are you so concerned about revealing something scummy in your reads?
Learn, try, see, do. I never proposed a different method of gathering information other than what we're already supposed to do. I did propose a different method of thinking. One without blind faith in the system, without following the leader, without mindlessness!
But still you haven't attempted to do any scumhunting. For that matter, you still didn't explain your different method, you merely described it as "One without blind faith in the system, without following the leader, without mindlessness!"
As for games, I have read a fair amount of them. A sufficient number of them. A great number, an adequate number, a plentiful, a spectacular, ridiculous, terrific, magnificent number of them.
I assumed you hadn't read any because you didn't mention it when I asked you about your experience with Mafia.
Do you find me ignorant? Stupid? Unknowledgeable? Dumb?
Ignorant? Yes. Stupid, unknowledgeable and dumb, no. I think the best word would be "stubborn".
I have not given up finding scum, as can be told by my reasoning for suspecting IronyOwl.
Giving your read on someone does not constitute as finding scum. You need to continue to pressure everyone, not just those who you are suspicious of. Your pressure on IronyOwl can be found in its entirety here:
You seem skeptical of his supporting case, so somehow you seem to suggest that any case involving nonsense would be equivalent. But, I disagree. Sure, the case was overloaded, but that did not make the case wrong. Instead, you'd want to argue bussing, but you're not. You're saying the case could not have been correct, but a scum would indeed have a correct case! (AHA!)
In the same post, you asked NQT a few other questions, but so far the only other people you've addressed are me and Spaghetti, and then only in answer to pressure from us.
No one has given me a reason other than everyone else did it.
*Ahem*
1. We can critique each other for better overall reads. If I think somebody is scum for an invalid reason, but don't share my reasons, nobody can correct me, and I'll go on suspecting that person.
2. It's helpful to you so that, when you eventually vote someone, we don't accuse you of voting without reason.
3. It's helpful to us because you can point out scummy/towny things we miss.
4. If you are scum, there's more chance to find a scumslip, since scum know the alignment of everyone and may therefore give something away in their reads.
5. Town benefit from having as much information and opinion as possible out there. As said above, only scum would want to withhold this kind of information.
Why I think Quad is town: It's unlikely that this kind of playstyle would come from somebody under the guidance of the Scum IC. Although it's possible that she's ignoring UI's advice just as much as she ignores ours.
Onyxjew: You've been given a huge advantage because of replacing in for The Soldier. How are you going to use this?
Everyone: Please post more.
I actually answered an amusing amount of this, though perhaps I prefer partially puzzling answers.
Everything I say can reveal something scummy, so the correct answer is I'm not afraid to talk.
It is especially hard to scumhunt when your target has not posted, and you have no reason to go for anyone else.
Experience with Mafia includes situations in which I was involved. I don't consider reading as an involvement.
Stubborn? I can accept that. Ignorant? I cannnot.
I am after IronyOwl here. There is no reason for me to bother with the likes of you two. I am merely answering your questions until you provide me with a reason to suspect you.
Your list was basically "because everyone else did it." Everything I say can be read, nullifying 4. I have given sufficient reasoning for IronyOwl, nullifying 1 and 2. I could change someone's mind about finding someone scummy, countering 3 and 5. There are no good reasons to do it, especially now, where I'll be portrayed as weak for answering.
And I think I'd make a great scum for that very reason, would I not? That's a poor reason to discount me. Do it by content.
IronyOwl (
It's not worth quoting your post because it's huge.):
Are you suggesting that you have numerous scummy issues? Aren't you supposed to be experienced, and therefore less likely to lean scummy? You're not countering notquitethere's points. It feels like you're stalling, delaying, until you find something to redirect to, and, as I pointed out, I figured it would be me. "Teehee." You even admit that you're not bothering with his case. But, he has good points. There is a connection between you and Flying Dice. The only reason I can think of to avoid his case is to not draw attention to it.
As for the fluff? Of course. I even admit to it. Let me quote for you, as I seem to be a bit more experienced than you at noticing things.
Now, this is a rant, and I've accomplished nothing by explaining, so I'll get back on topic.
You're already peering at my brainmeats. It's spewed all over my posts. And yet, here you are, saying that you'll have to follow the herd to survive.
*She snaps her fingers, suddenly sporting pointed gray ears and a fluffy tail. Around her hands are paw gloves.*
I mean, who's to say wolves are the bad guys? Maybe you're just afraid of alphas. I don't really enjoy the taste of sheep. Too tasteless, tacky.
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