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[Quadressence]

As for my reads of briefly skimming the thread:
Quadressence: You're quite astute, I like that. However I think you should start cutting down on the RP' too much , I mean, I like RolePlaying as much as the next person, but you can state yourself better by getting to the point.

Though it does give some sort of feel on what you're trying to convey, even statements can easily supplement that.

Also, reads are for generally everyone - no matter who you intend them as an answer for - a forum post is public > visible to everyone. I'd really doubt you can stop someone from reading a post that is needed for an explanation

For one, I don't suspect you much - this is partly because of "I really doubt UI could teach that way", and mainly because I just skimmed and that was my first impression; but the real factor is what you post. You're targeting someone, and this is not in an obfuscating way, but what I think is that you're trying to pressure that certain someone regardless of what everyone else thinks. Just like IronyOwl, you're being hostile in a way that shows curtness, but not total disrespect given that you're also learning from him as this also tests emotions. Shortening: You're scumhunting via aggression and specification.

Am I right, ma'am?

Lastly, how do you feel about your target? Are you sure enough that he is the last scum in-game?

{It is always best to summarize a list on why you think that person is scum after a long-drawn battle of wits and words. Trust me, this is what most people will be aiming for if opinions are divided amongst the masses.}

But, the rrrrrrrpppppp! (((((((

I can try to cut back, but eliminate entirely is too *She reaches for the words inside her head.* blase, boring, ordinary, quaint!

*She snaps her fingers, suddenly dressed as a card dealer.*

I'll make you a deal. I'll summarize a bit at the end for rp-heavy posts. Less to get in your way.

I think IronyOwl is suspicious. I also think that Spaghetti and Onyxjew are suspicious. I also also think you were suspicious. But I trust notquitethere's original assessment of IronyOwl, and combine that with what I saw of IronyOwl, so that I think he's the best choice for scum. TheWetSheep cannot be scum. If he were scum, he'd be more prone to focus someone down. I also doubt he'd be wavering as much on his opinion. notquitethere would have been better off offing himself instead of Flying Dice. Flying Dice's really big scumtell was his previous self, and if he got far enough away, he'd be fine. Spaghetti is quiet, and I wouldn't mind lynching him. Onyxjew is finally getting into the game. I think his reads are lacking, but I'm glad he's posting. I'd prefer if he would focus his vote target a bit more, so I could read more into his mindset. And you are being much more readable and talkative, so I don't mind not suspecting you.

I also finally just got IronyOwl's comment about Imiknorris. I was completely confused as to what he had to do with WIFOM until I realized he was the scum IC. (I actually got most of my WIFOM knowledge from Webadict. It was like he was fueled purely by WIFOM.) As such, I'd actually prefer it if people thought I was brilliant scum instead of retard town. I know how to use WIFOM. I've read all of their styles. Toonyman's aggression. Org's chaos. Webadict's manipulation. Vector's cunning. Leafsnail's adaptiveness. Dakarian's brilliance. Pandarsenic's unreadability. Jim Groovester's leadership. Toaster's planning. Bookthras's persuasiveness. Dariush's bravery. So many styles to absorb as you read along. And, I think I can do it. I think I could be brilliant scum. So brilliant you wouldn't even know I was scum. So, don't write me off. I know how to be scum. I want to be unable to be written off. I want a status among the gods. I want to enter the pantheon. I will be known for something, even if I don't know it yet.

I want to never be written off. Town will be wary of me. Scum will fear me. First to die at night. Last to live during the day.

I want to live forever.

Overall, I trust notquitethere on his case against IronyOwl. I think IronyOwl cannot find an adequate target to go after, and his reasoning is not up to par. I think IronyOwl has a connection with Flying Dice. IronyOwl responded poorly when pressured. (Even if I was too hard on him, which I might have been.)

PPE: IronyOwl posted. I would actually enjoy conversing with him more (I want an extension just to talk. I'd have no problem constantly discussing.), but I'm low on time. Small answers: I was combating the liar charge as well. Not sure how I'm stonewalling. I read parts of your posts, and that's what I got to. Your post was big, so I missed parts. I think you have a few minutes to say anything you want to.

[IronyOwl]

PPE: IronyOwl posted. I would actually enjoy conversing with him more (I want an extension just to talk. I'd have no problem constantly discussing.), but I'm low on time. Small answers: I was combating the liar charge as well. Not sure how I'm stonewalling. I read parts of your posts, and that's what I got to. Your post was big, so I missed parts. I think you have a few minutes to say anything you want to.

I think it's a few hours, actually, but if I had anything more to say it'd be in response to your responses, not just piling more stuff on.

Of course, I suppose I could point out that you haven't missed parts of my posts, you've hit one or two sections of them. I hope you don't think you've responded to me in any meaningful way recently, but if so that explains how you missed the part about stonewalling.

[Quadressence]

We have more time? Gah! I don't know when the day ends!  (((((

Okay, what can I answer right here, right now? I'll try to make it short and to the point, because having long pointless arguments where we miss each other's points is not getting the point across point point point point point. Sorry, I just have to get rid of that word right now. I also don't want to be cut off by time.

[Onyxjew944]

Onyx has no reasons whatsoever except that he might as well bandwagon, his only justification apparently being a 180 from "I don't have any overt suspicion of IronyOwl" to "I've reread and everyone else's case seems good so let's go with that, which sucks but all the cool kids are doing it anyway." Like NQT and TheSheep, he's also opposing any extensions with that magnificent case in place.

I suppose this is the part where your violent snap-back is going to kill all of our poorly placed assumptions and save you? A fair idea, actually. I don't quite like your tone, but I admit I was rash. You at least deserve a chance to defend yourself before we dogpile and murder you. Cute thing being, you just did. I don't plan on extending just to keep this game going. I now find Spaghetti scummier than you just because I haven't really made much of anyone but Quad, Sheep, and You. Gaze fairly upon this magnificent tapestry, I completely forgot Spaghetti and even so don't have nearly enough to make a case, I disregarded NQT because voting him would have no effect or point, you were already going down and he would be next as according to the census anyway, and I also discounted Shakerag because he seemed active and aggressive enough. Leaving me with one person who already had the ire of an entire board, and no one else to antagonize. It wasn't a real reason, it was process of elimination. Also, dat run-on sentence.

I swear if this paragraph of pennance gets me attacked for switching opinion, check the opinion I'm switching from. It was "No real point". Now it's "eh, why not". I see little change in opinion, only in execution.

Onyx:

In other news, I'm lost with these allusions to Org and Dariush. I take it they're common patrons of the other parts of the Mafia board?

Dariush is a player known for his RAAAAAAGING at various things, most notably newbies. Org is (was? haven't seen him in a while) a player with a very unique playstyle, mostly consisting of being as intentionally curt and unreadable as possible.

A person known for Raeg? How fun. I'm actually going to try a non-BM after this one and from what I can piece together from the conversations and Quad's summary, it should be quite the menagerie. Fun.

Scumpick? IronyOwl. I read through the reasons, and I feel they are good enough for this lynch. Besides, my vote doesn't exactly carry much weight when the Town has such a nice consensus, does it?

^Weak reasons? Why, yes. But my vote carries no point or weight beyond some arbitrary ceremonial point. The die have been rolled, the mob formed, and the gallows built. The democracy demands Irony's blood and I have no ability to deny it. So why try?

This is a lazy, scummy bandwagon. At the very least, you should explain why or which reasons seem good enough.

Perhaps more importantly though, you don't sound terribly convinced, yet you're voting me as your top suspect. What does this say about your reads in general, that even you admit your top, willing-to-shorten-to-lynch-this-scumbag suspect is a shitty, vague, bandwagony copy of everyone else?

Yes, I think I answered these above. Feel free to ask again, but I think you would be much better off convincing someone else as the clock is ticking. Tick tock, Irony. Tick. Tock.

[Teneb]

NO VOTES SHALL COUNT FROM THIS POINT ONWARDS

FINAL VOTECOUNT:
TheWetSheep(0):
Onyxjew994(0):
Quadressence(1):IronyOwl
notquitethere(0):
Sphagetti7(0):
Tiruin(0):
IronyOwl(4):notquitethere, Quadressence, TheWetSheep, Sphagetti7, Onyxjew994

Not Voting:Tiruin

FLAVOUR, ROLEFLIP AND THREAD LOCK INCOMING

[Teneb]

“Have you chosen?”

One of the magisters steps forward and says “Quadressentially, we have determined that- wait, my phone is ringing. Please excuse me”. She then proceeds to pull a brick from her robes, hold it against her ear and talk to someone. No one quite understands what she is saying.

“As she was saying” says TheWetSheep, frowning. “We found IronyOwl to be the traitor”

“You can’t do this, I’m not a traitor!” cried IronyOwl.

“Your fate has been decided, scum. Die!” With a wave of his hand, the captain conjures a spike of solid ice, striking the magister in the chest and knocking her back against the wall. IronyOwl slumps to the ground, his last words an unheard whisper.

After a few minutes of investigating his corpse, the captain stands up and announces, “It is with sorrow that I declare that IronyOwl was a loyal magister.” He sighs before continuing. “You will be escorted to your temporary quarters once more.”

IronyOwl has been lynched. He was a Magister.
(NOTE: Being an IC, IronyOwl may still post advice, but is no longer a player)

[Teneb]

Night ends tomorrow, 21st of March, at 22:00 BRT. Please submit your actions

[Teneb]

All had arrived at the meeting room, like in the two previous days. All ready to expose the traitor and put an end to this nightmare.

All but one.

Sphagetti7 was mysteriously missing. Murmurs spread across the room, speculating on what might have caused his absence.

After a long while the battlemagister captain steps into the room and announces: Sphaggeti7 had been found dead in his room, his neck broken. They were currently investigating how the guard didn’t see anything, and meanwhile the discussions would continue.

Sphagetti7 has been killed. He was a Magister

Day ends 25th of March, 22:00 BRT.

[TheWetSheep]

Wow. I need to pay more attention. I thought the day ended a day later than it did.

I guess it's a bit late, but:
Everyone on the IronyOwl lynch:

Please state why you voted him. Also, post quotes where you stated these reasons before the lynch. Here's mine:

I voted IronyOwl because, as an IC, I was more inclined to be suspicious of him. When he voted for Quad, who I thought was town but an easy target to make look like scum, I was suspicious of him. I didn't have much suspicion on anyone else. Also, Day 2 was weird for me. I spent half of it fighting with Quad, and after that felt like not much of substance was happening. I was also eager for the day to be over for the same reasons. Looking back, I didn't have a very good case on him after all.

Quotes:

IronyOwl: Null leaning scum. Also hasn't done much, although he admitted he's not really able to be active. Passively says "I'm suspicious of everyone"(post 351), and isn't exerting a huge amount of pressure on anybody.

The IC's votes for Quad make me nervous. I'm getting more and more certain that one of them is scum, because I think Quad is an easy target for scum to lynch. She certainly acts it, but I personally don't think she's scummy enough to lynch.

I'm not sure which IC I'm more suspicious of, but since it's unlikely we'll get a Shakerag lynch, I'll go with IronyOwl. Someone needs to break the tie anyway.

Wow. I guess IO was right, I didn't post much on him.

I can't let the IO bandwagon make me too suspicious of anyone on it, since I was on it too, but I will be paying closer attention to those people.

NQT: Do you agree that your vote on Flying Dice doesn't make you towny, as I showed earlier? Also, you missed a question:

NQT:

Wet Sheep

NQT: What do you think of my idea that you are experimenting in bussing?

Nice theory, but I would only really experiment with a tactic that I thought likely to work. And bussing in this case was not likely to work. (After all, am I not suspected of bussing now?)

How could you have known what would happen beforehand?

I'm out of time. More later.

[notquitethere]

Well that's an embuggerance. I voted Irony Owl because of the reasons I stated a week ago.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Among others:

Sorry for multi-posting guys, but hot damn I think I have a case.

Is it telling that in IronyOwl's initial post, he addresses all players but two: Lord Al (my predecessor) who had never posted and scum Remuthra, who had posted 16 times since the game started (much more than several of the other players) and had at that time two votes to his name? i.e. not a player one would usually miss wanting to question. In fact, Ironyowl, in addressing healer SuperBlast, appear to give what might now be interpreted as a deflective defence of Remuthra:

superBlast:

So I'm gonna stop voting random people now and and vote who I suspect and that would be Remu.

Vote Remuthra

TIME TO MISLYNCH YOU AGAIN HAHAHAHA!

Uh, ahem. This is nice and all, but are you actually pressuring Remu at the moment, or have you just decided he's the best target to kill? A very quick scan back didn't reveal anything, and it's usually better to try to get a better read on someone, even someone you genuinely suspect is scum, than to just vote them and sit on what you've got.

But look, I realise now that it was a lousy case. Owl, I'm sorry. I did no decent analysis in the last week and frankly we should have lynched Quad when we had the chance a few days back, if only because the collective suspicious against Quad/Borno followed the same pattern as Remuthra/FD and I should have stuck to my guns on that point. The only excuse I can offer is that I've just started a new job and I have orders of magnitude less time than before. There's only so much effort I have time and will to give to the game, and so opposing extensions was my way of limiting my effort expenditure, but I shouldn't have done so before being more certain than I was.

Sheep, the fact that I was sent the town role PM by Deathsword makes me towny, not anything I've said or done in game. How you form your doubts and interpret my votes is up to you. I'm done with this bussing argument. Maybe I wouldn't have known bussing would be suspected, maybe I would. You've just got to ask yourself, should you drink the wine in front of me?

[Quadressence]

I stated my reasons at the end of the previous day. I'd like to post right now, but it's a nice day today, so I think I'll wait a bit.

[Spaghetti7]

Bah. Thank you scum, for having the sympathy to take me out when I was struggling to find time to stay in.

[TheWetSheep]

Some missed questions:

Quad:

Quad:

You state being bouncy and lacking focus to be a town-tell. I know you're a fan of chaos, but I would think it's a scumtell, because it means they lack devotion and don't care about who they lynch. Unless we have different meanings for bouncy.

we have different meanings for bouncy

Either way, not fit to be scum.

Care to elaborate?

Onyx:

Onyx: You said a while ago(post # 364) that you were going to give us your reads. Could you give them now?

Another thing. In Day 2 I was much in favour of finding consensus, as were you. Unfortunately, that led to a bandwagon in which scum could easily conceal themselves, and with very few reasons. Looking at the old way, I think it's better. Do you agree?

[Vector]

As such, I'd actually prefer it if people thought I was brilliant scum instead of retard town. I know how to use WIFOM. I've read all of their styles. Toonyman's aggression. Org's chaos. Webadict's manipulation. Vector's cunning. Leafsnail's adaptiveness. Dakarian's brilliance. Pandarsenic's unreadability. Jim Groovester's leadership. Toaster's planning. Bookthras's persuasiveness. Dariush's bravery. So many styles to absorb as you read along. And, I think I can do it. I think I could be brilliant scum. So brilliant you wouldn't even know I was scum. So, don't write me off. I know how to be scum. I want to be unable to be written off. I want a status among the gods. I want to enter the pantheon. I will be known for something, even if I don't know it yet.

I want to never be written off. Town will be wary of me. Scum will fear me. First to die at night. Last to live during the day.

I want to live forever.

Well, well, well.  I look forward to facing you on the field of battle. . . or examining your back, rather

[Onyxjew944]

Sheep

Onyx has no reasons whatsoever except that he might as well bandwagon, his only justification apparently being a 180 from "I don't have any overt suspicion of IronyOwl" to "I've reread and everyone else's case seems good so let's go with that, which sucks but all the cool kids are doing it anyway." Like NQT and TheSheep, he's also opposing any extensions with that magnificent case in place.

I suppose this is the part where your violent snap-back is going to kill all of our poorly placed assumptions and save you? A fair idea, actually. I don't quite like your tone, but I admit I was rash. You at least deserve a chance to defend yourself before we dogpile and murder you. Cute thing being, you just did. I don't plan on extending just to keep this game going. I now find Spaghetti scummier than you just because I haven't really made much of anyone but Quad, Sheep, and You. Gaze fairly upon this magnificent tapestry, I completely forgot Spaghetti and even so don't have nearly enough to make a case, I disregarded NQT because voting him would have no effect or point, you were already going down and he would be next as according to the census anyway, and I also discounted Shakerag because he seemed active and aggressive enough. Leaving me with one person who already had the ire of an entire board, and no one else to antagonize. It wasn't a real reason, it was process of elimination. Also, dat run-on sentence.

I swear if this paragraph of pennance gets me attacked for switching opinion, check the opinion I'm switching from. It was "No real point". Now it's "eh, why not". I see little change in opinion, only in execution.

Onyx:

In other news, I'm lost with these allusions to Org and Dariush. I take it they're common patrons of the other parts of the Mafia board?

Dariush is a player known for his RAAAAAAGING at various things, most notably newbies. Org is (was? haven't seen him in a while) a player with a very unique playstyle, mostly consisting of being as intentionally curt and unreadable as possible.

A person known for Raeg? How fun. I'm actually going to try a non-BM after this one and from what I can piece together from the conversations and Quad's summary, it should be quite the menagerie. Fun.

Scumpick? IronyOwl. I read through the reasons, and I feel they are good enough for this lynch. Besides, my vote doesn't exactly carry much weight when the Town has such a nice consensus, does it?

^Weak reasons? Why, yes. But my vote carries no point or weight beyond some arbitrary ceremonial point. The die have been rolled, the mob formed, and the gallows built. The democracy demands Irony's blood and I have no ability to deny it. So why try?

This is a lazy, scummy bandwagon. At the very least, you should explain why or which reasons seem good enough.

Perhaps more importantly though, you don't sound terribly convinced, yet you're voting me as your top suspect. What does this say about your reads in general, that even you admit your top, willing-to-shorten-to-lynch-this-scumbag suspect is a shitty, vague, bandwagony copy of everyone else?

Yes, I think I answered these above. Feel free to ask again, but I think you would be much better off convincing someone else as the clock is ticking. Tick tock, Irony. Tick. Tock.

Should be about why.


In other news, crap. I can't honestly say this was too unexpected, but with Spaghetti dead as well, I'm out of leads.

Suppose that leaves me with either the consensus was right before, which didn't prove well with Irony, and that means NQT is the remaining scum. Not exactly going with that one, or...

I was wrong about someone.

Edit: No, wait. Just reread the listings. Could just be Tiruin. I'm lost again.

Onyx:

Onyx: You said a while ago(post # 364) that you were going to give us your reads. Could you give them now?

Answered that one twice now. Not doing it again unless I'm given a decent reason.

Another thing. In Day 2 I was much in favour of finding consensus, as were you. Unfortunately, that led to a bandwagon in which scum could easily conceal themselves, and with very few reasons. Looking at the old way, I think it's better. Do you agree?

That's a bit subjective, truthfully. We did work well enough on Remuthra/Dice, and now you're flipping because it has now failed on Irony. Not really a conclusive finding, truth be told. At least not on those facts alone. I think we just got lucky with Remuthra because, no offense here, he was kind of obvious.

Short Answer: Yes.