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[Graknorke]

How is Trump a counter-example? He's good at playing the media game. It's just that if he's successful he won't be as counter to the agendas of the powers that be as Corbyn is. So it's less interesting.

[Sergarr]

What "powers" are you speaking about here?

[Frumple]

Presumably whatever counts as the establishment in the respective political system.

[mainiac]

Wouldn't the political establishment be the labor party?  The labor party spokesperson in that article was the one defending Corbyn.

[Graknorke]

No, the Tories are the ones in power. And are the party with the greatest proportion of the country's votes (somehow). And have more support from the rich and influential types.

[Frumple]

Zog if I know, m. I'm still having trouble of thinking of the word corbyn as anything but a bird. And I'm quite sure I'm getting it mixed up with some sort of corvidae, so the guy's nothing but crossed memory wires to me. Someone should send the man a crow suit so I can stop being confused.

[Grim Portent]

Corbyn is an odd case in that he has the support of a huge number of Labour members and their non-member supporters, but almost none among the Labour MPs and the previous Shadow Cabinet or the pro-Labour media. His victory in the party election was very much a blow to the established Labour leadership and their ideology, and also a blow to the right wing parties of Britain in general since it opens up the possibility of a very different political landscape they would have to campaign in.

For about 20-25 years now all the major parties have had the same fundamental ideology and little variation in their policies. A Socialist being elected to lead the opposition party is quite a turn of events and is drawing as much attention as the SNP rise did, though with just as much if not more mudslinging being done by the news companies and political figures that benefited from the status quo that is at risk.

Corbyn is counter to the agendas of most of the British media, a lot of the Labour party's (former) leadership, the incumbent government and the various groups that have benefited from the current state of affairs, most of which are corporations that were able to negotiate special arrangements with the major parties in the past, so they're all kicking up a stink to try and influence public opinion.


Of course now that he's in charge of Labour and the right wing elements of the party have no way to legitimately oust him I expect they'll gradually drift from public sight or fall in behind him, though I wouldn't count on much sincerity from them in their support, and as that happens we'll settle into the normal Labour vs Cons petty bickering with each being backed by the partisan newspapers, rather than some of the pro-Labour papers trying to sabotage Corbyn.

[Loud Whispers]

Corbyn is counter to the agendas of most of the British media, a lot of the Labour party's (former) leadership, the incumbent government and the various groups that have benefited from the current state of affairs, most of which are corporations that were able to negotiate special arrangements with the major parties in the past, so they're all kicking up a stink to try and influence public opinion.

Corbyn is counter to the agenda of most of the British people.

In other news, when will the West stop pussyfutting around and start sending ground troops to ISIS's real HQ; Sweden?

Borch had met Abdulla, originally from Iraq, at a refugee centre near her home. It is believed the pair had plotted to flee to Syria and fight for Isis.

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Hilariously she was first introduced to ISIS by an unknown Muslim man who dumped her to return to his wife and kids in Sweden. Sweden, YES :D

Also have this adorable zealot. He fits every British custom to a tea (all pun intended):

• Appreciates queuing
• Polite
• Has table manners
• Will not surrender shoes
• Concerned with privacy
• Concerned with animal welfare
• Does not want to be too much of a bother

Also:

• On jihad (new British^tm custom)
  Told you gits, they fight because they believe not because they're not British. I've been telling you for long and even with a long list of Al-Britanis fighting in Syria or chavvy Muslims bantering on Twitter there is no single case which will be more British than this. Europe will lose this fight for as long as it pretends tolerance will make anything better other than the conditions for Islamism to spread. It's your funeral, heh. Also I'm so incredibly cheerful because I've found out the extent of capital flight from Europe to Britain was much larger than I thought :D
  Europs please elect even more socialists, open them borders wider and bury your heads in the sand, it shall ensure maximum prophet profit

[MetalSlimeHunt]

So what's your proposed course of action? That question always comes off as hostile, but even in dedicated discussion forums people rarely lay out what they would do instead.

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Corbyn is counter to the agendas of most of the British media, a lot of the Labour party's (former) leadership, the incumbent government and the various groups that have benefited from the current state of affairs, most of which are corporations that were able to negotiate special arrangements with the major parties in the past, so they're all kicking up a stink to try and influence public opinion.

Corbyn is counter to the agenda of most of the British people.

In other news, when will the West stop pussyfutting around and start sending ground troops to ISIS's real HQ; Sweden?

Borch had met Abdulla, originally from Iraq, at a refugee centre near her home. It is believed the pair had plotted to flee to Syria and fight for Isis.

T O L D   Y O U   SO
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Hilariously she was first introduced to ISIS by an unknown Muslim man who dumped her to return to his wife and kids in Sweden. Sweden, YES :D

Also have this adorable zealot. He fits every British custom to a tea (all pun intended):

• Appreciates queuing
• Polite
• Has table manners
• Will not surrender shoes
• Concerned with privacy
• Concerned with animal welfare
• Does not want to be too much of a bother

Also:

• On jihad (new British^tm custom)
  Told you gits, they fight because they believe not because they're not British. I've been telling you for long and even with a long list of Al-Britanis fighting in Syria or chavvy Muslims bantering on Twitter there is no single case which will be more British than this. Europe will lose this fight for as long as it pretends tolerance will make anything better other than the conditions for Islamism to spread. It's your funeral, heh. Also I'm so incredibly cheerful because I've found out the extent of capital flight from Europe to Britain was much larger than I thought :D
  Europs please elect even more socialists, open them borders wider and bury your heads in the sand, it shall ensure maximum prophet profit
  

Despite the almost nonsensical structure, I wholeheartedly agree

[MetalSlimeHunt]

So what's your proposed course of action? That question always comes off as hostile, but even in dedicated discussion forums people rarely lay out what they would do instead.

I'd suggest not letting members of ISIS back into their home countries due to the really obvious reasons. Seriously, half of these people aren't even hiding it at this point. Refugees, yes. The people who made them refugees, no.

Ok, and how are you going to make a working filter for this? If you started outside Uckland you can come in, but if you left from it you can't come back?

[Sheb]

Nah, it can be done, but it doesn't really help with dealing with the thousands of guenuine refugees, and it raise some question of international right. (I'm not sure you can deny the entry of your territory to one of your national. You can of course jails him as soon as he come in.)

[Graknorke]

I've been wondering about this, is there a reason countries can't just revoke the citizenship of anyone who goes off to fight for ISIS?

[Sheb]

IIRC, there is a treaty somewhere that forbid creating stateless people.

[Loud Whispers]

So what's your proposed course of action?

What would Bane do?

In all seriousness though my course of action involves seeing Britain secure whilst preparing to move abroad in case things go south even in Britain. And as I'm still worried why the EU spends more money trying to neutralize Britain than Russia I hope states like Sweden and Germany continue on their present course at full speed a la Titanic so they can have zero influence on my nation, since they seemed determined to subjugate rather than trade. The continent is a lost cause; I'd say it is closing the stables after the horses have bolted but it's more like the continent is trying to destroy everyone else's stables after having destroyed their own. You can't help someone who is trying to cut everything within an arm's length - you just have to stay your distance and hope they stop trying to take you down with them. It's already too late, so the best course of action is just to thoroughly enjoy whatever happens next and adapt to new Yurop.

Also have some more bants.

I've been wondering about this, is there a reason countries can't just revoke the citizenship of anyone who goes off to fight for ISIS?

"Human rights."