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[Guardian G.I.]

Now that we're talking about the Serbian war, I must acknowledge that I don't actually now much about it. Anyone willing to give a concise explanation.

NATO attacked Serbia in 1999 under the pretext of protecting Albanians in Kosovo from a Serbian ethnic cleansing campaign.

[miljan]

Now that we're talking about the Serbian war, I must acknowledge that I don't actually now much about it. Anyone willing to give a concise explanation.

The first one or the second one? 
In short:

Generally the first one is about countries not wanting to be in yugoslavia anymore. So they went independent. But serbs that lived in the region of the new countries wanted to join serbia and not live in the new formed ones. So serbs in the new countries, with help of serbs from serbia (or better said yugoslavia) fought for territory where they lived. Heavy shit happens with killing of different ethnic groups. Its a standard civil war. In the end, most of serbs from croatia were expelled from it, while in bosnia formed somewhat independent region republic srpska where majority are serbs

The second war is war for kosovo. Kosovo was mostly populated with albanians and serbs. Kosovo albanians with help of albanian country organized a separatist group called UCK, that fought again police and similar for independence of kosovo. Nato bombs serbia on the context of fear there will be ethnic cleansing as there where few places where it was believed albanians civilians were killed. After bombing started, serbs started moving all kosovo albanians to albania. After the bombing ended, serbia accepted to move their military/police  from kosovo, and in its place KFOR/NATO troops moved in to "protect" the people. Unfortunately, than all the albanians started moving serbs from kosovo to central serbia, so now, very little serbs or other minority live on  kosovo, that do not recognise kosovo as a country and want to separate to serbia.

So now we wait for another war, that will probably be around bosnia in future, as republic srpska is interested in independence from bosnia, and another kosovo war, where serbs will move in the kosovo to retake the lost territory. Serbia sandzak is another region where a lot of bosnian live that will also probably want independence at some point. But it will probably not happen in our life time.

Anyway, take this with grain of salt, as I am from serbia, or better said was from kosovo, and after nato invasion we escaped to central serbia. And the funny thing is, I am mostly croatian. So, its all such fucked up shit.

[Sheb]

What do you think of the impact of the EU on this? After all, two former Yugoslav countries are already in, and the others are queuing. Wouldn't that solve the problems? After all, why fight to take territory when you can just move there anyway?

[Sergarr]

What do you think of the impact of the EU on this? After all, two former Yugoslav countries are already in, and the others are queuing. Wouldn't that solve the problems? After all, why fight to take territory when you can just move there anyway?

UK is in EU, and look at how they treat immigrants (from countries they weren't at war, even) 

[Sheb]

They... grumble about them? Complain a bit about them?

[Sergarr]

They... grumble about them? Complain a bit about them?

Now imagine how they would treat somebody who they were in a deadly war just a few years before.

[miljan]

What do you think of the impact of the EU on this? After all, two former Yugoslav countries are already in, and the others are queuing. Wouldn't that solve the problems? After all, why fight to take territory when you can just move there anyway?

Well Yugoslavia was like EU (even more integration), and it failed the moment economic problems hit. I actually think similar thing will happen to EU sooner or latter.

[Sheb]

I think the EU is more stable BECAUSE it is less integrated. I don't see the President of the Council going all Milosevic any time soon.

[MonkeyHead]

So, the UK's Green party has released its manifesto for the upcoming general election. It makes for... interesting reading.

The url I found this at is http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-party/11356354/Drugs-brothels-al-Qaeda-and-the-Beyonce-tax-the-Green-Party-plan-for-Britain.html

I don't want to shorten it, as it kind of tells its own story.

[Dutchling]

That tends to happen when they become relevant.

[TD1]

Wow.

They want to return us to medieval times.

[Baffler]

So, the UK's Green party has released its manifesto for the upcoming general election. It makes for... interesting reading.

The url I found this at is http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-party/11356354/Drugs-brothels-al-Qaeda-and-the-Beyonce-tax-the-Green-Party-plan-for-Britain.html

I don't want to shorten it, as it kind of tells its own story.

Well that was... interesting. It's strange seeing a mainstream party that uses phrases like monopoly on violence and calling terrorism a loaded term, while simultaneously calling for unilateral military disarmament. They even want to abolish the monarchy. I'm also wondering how they're going to finance all this when they're calling for a "zero growth economy," and are actively hostile to industry and trade. I'm honestly expecting it to turn out it's a fake.

Here's a direct link:
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/resources/Manifesto_web_file.pdf

[Sheb]

Well, it's the Torygraph, their job is to make the left look bad. :p It does seems like they suffer from the same problems are green parties everywhere (that fetishism for local stuff for exemple), but otherwise I agree with them. Remember, those are long-terms goals, not a manifesto for the next election.

[MonkeyHead]

Well, it seems to me that the Greens are looking to have some kind of "manoeuvring room" in order to prop up some kind of coalition in a minority government. In this manifesto there are things they could easily drop like a rock while at the negotiating table without needing to budge on other core values.

[Sheb]

Looking at it more in details, this "manifesto" seems more to be a whole lot of independent resolutions taken during various general assemblies over the years.