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[PanH]

Because you didn't. You told me "Same reason why throwing grenades and firing at a mosque doesn't qualify as a terrorist attack."
Which reason is that?

Look, what I basically said was that it would have been pretty dumb to call that arson attack a terrorist attack seeing as how the french government is treating the two incidents where someone threw a grenade in a mosque burning part of it and someone taking shots at another mosque were treated as vandalism, okay?

That was plaster nades. About as dangerous as a firecracker. That's not an intent to kill or destroy, that's vandalism.
There was however, a bomb near a kebab shop near a mosquee. That's an attack and can qualify as terrorism.

[Vilanat]

Because you didn't. You told me "Same reason why throwing grenades and firing at a mosque doesn't qualify as a terrorist attack."
Which reason is that?

Look, what I basically said was that it would have been pretty dumb to call that arson attack a terrorist attack seeing as how the french government is treating the two incidents where someone threw a grenade in a mosque burning part of it and someone taking shots at another mosque were treated as vandalism, okay?

That was plaster nades. About as dangerous as a firecracker. That's not an intent to kill or destroy, that's vandalism.
There was however, a bomb near a kebab shop near a mosquee. That's an attack and can qualify as terrorism.

Both incidents were designed to inflict fear in a certain population, hence their definition should both be terror attacks.

That attack on the kebab shop, do they actually know for certain who did it? why do we assume it was anti-muslim attack and not a simple criminal case? i remember hearing there is quite a problem with "protection" (extortion) fees those kebab shops need to pay.

[PanH]

Both incidents were designed to inflict fear in a certain population, hence their definition should both be terror attacks.

Then so do racist (or anti-something) graffitis.

[scrdest]

Yeah, no, that's overly inclusive. Terror attacks are a show of force. The message is 'we killed these people, we can do the same for you, give up'. I'd classify the kebab bombing more as a hate crime/murder more than anything, as it's not much of a message. It's more... expressive than impressive (?) in purpose, 'I'm angry' rather than 'Fear us'.

Of course, maybe it was designed to be a terror attack, Telepathy is 0/10.

[Lt_Alfred]

Yeah, no, that's overly inclusive. Terror attacks are a show of force. The message is 'we killed these people, we can do the same for you, give up'. I'd classify the kebab bombing more as a hate crime/murder more than anything, as it's not much of a message. It's more... expressive than impressive (?) in purpose, 'I'm angry' rather than 'Fear us'.

Of course, maybe it was designed to be a terror attack, Telepathy is 0/10.

Except the attack on Charlie Hebdo wasn't carrying a "Fear us" message and more of a "Payback time" one.

[smeeprocket]

I don't understand this. This weird need to justify terror attacks that are not muslim oriented in any way but terror.

[ChairmanPoo]

Yeah, no, that's overly inclusive. Terror attacks are a show of force. The message is 'we killed these people, we can do the same for you, give up'. I'd classify the kebab bombing more as a hate crime/murder more than anything, as it's not much of a message. It's more... expressive than impressive (?) in purpose, 'I'm angry' rather than 'Fear us'.

Of course, maybe it was designed to be a terror attack, Telepathy is 0/10.

Except the attack on Charlie Hebdo wasn't carrying a "Fear us" message

The hell it wasn't. It was a clear message to "blasphemers" everywhere.

[Graknorke]

Then so were the retaliation attacks?

[ChairmanPoo]

Then so were the retaliation attacks?

Uhm, yes? Kristallnatches are wrong no matter who do them.

Really it is astonishing to have to state this outright.

[Dutchling]

Damn those natches.

[Helgoland]

I don't understand this. This weird need to justify terror attacks that are not muslim oriented in any way but terror.

I didn't see anyone trying to justify the NSU... Or the Sendero Luminoso, or the Weather Underground, or the RAF... Okay, people indeed tried to justify those last ones - but interestingly these people were leftists...

[Baffler]

Spoiler: Glorifying RAF Terrorists (click to show/hide)

Evil bastards, they are.

[Helgoland]

Perhaps I should've added an explanation: RAF in this context refers to the Red Army Faction, the most notorious German terrorist group.

[Sinistar]

Then so were the retaliation attacks?

Uhm, yes? Kristallnatches are wrong no matter who do them.

Really it is astonishing to have to state this outright.

I think there's some misunderstanding going on because I don't think anyone was arguing violent attacks, being on mosques, kebab shops or newspapers, are NOT wrong no matter what.

Anyways:
France to deploy over 9000 troops.

2 interesting things in this article:
- there is some talk about possible French Patriot Act, but apparently there is little interest in that. This however reminds me how back during the siege of print works, I was watching BBC's livestream and they had this English professor interviewed. The thing that struck me the most was how at some point his train of though led to "People in France don't like police snooping on them and they don't take what Snowden did as something that's bad for them. If police would spy on emails more, this attacks would not happen".
- Kouachi brothers apparently aligned themselves with Al-Qaeda in Yemen, while Coulibaly on a video pledged alliance to ISIS and said all three were working together. Experts on the other hand said it's unlikely ISIS and AQAP would organize attack together because they are rivals. My guess? They were working on their own initiative, not by the orders of any group. Inspired, yes, but nothing more. Also makes sense given how no known group immediately claimed responsibility for the attack. Just a thought.

[smjjames]

Just because the two groups are rivals doesn't neccesarily stop the three men from working together independently of ISIS and AQAP.