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[Sergarr]

the public outrage is certainly higher after a teract in europe

i distinctly remember there being reactions varying from "indifference" to "lol they kill each other for our amusement" in regard to teract in Grozny.

not so funny when that happens in your house huh

[smeeprocket]

Or the state that africa is in? or the effort put forth to annihilate boko haram, or the excellent treatment africans got for ebola, right on par with the europeans and americans, right?

Hardly to do with the fact they're black. Africa is a separate country- they may be helped, but their governance is up to them, and not anyone else. We are not responsible for them.

The people that died at charlie hebdo couldn't make a hashtag either, other people did that for them.

Then the Nigerians are terrible people for not making a hashtag, hm?
The people killed in Paris are local. Not only this, it happened in a country where people are obsessed with making Hashtags.

Or the imperialist desolation that led to the need for those charities...

History, not current day. Judge the Germans on their current merit, not their past wars. Our current merit - we do have charities, and many of us are concerned.

As for white people in America, how do you know that they mostly think those blacks were criminals? That's a huge generalisation.

I know what white people in America think because I am a white person in america? Because the studies done have, as I said, shown beliefs to run right down racial lines. I know how white people have treated every one of these crimes, from George Zimmerman to Eric Garner and beyond.

Africa is as it is because of Colonialism. And then, when brown skinned people try to escape the mess that stems from that, they are subject to abuse and bigotry in the first world countries they flee to.

First world countries are trashing the rest of the world and then getting angry when people from those parts start wanting to migrate to where there is a better future.

But this is all an aside.

The real issue, the one that was primary to my post was the push far right groups in France will be able to enact, and the potential power they will gain because of hysteria and anti-muslim and anti-immigrant sentiments,

[Graknorke]

no ameripol here pls

[smeeprocket]

I'm just responding to something someone asked me about. Like I said, my main issue is the problem this is going to cause going into the future for France's politics.

[TD1]

I know what white people in America think because I am a white person in america? Because the studies done have, as I said, shown beliefs to run right down racial lines. I know how white people have treated every one of these crimes, from George Zimmerman to Eric Garner and beyond.

-eh, snip-
Damn American Politics

Africa is as it is because of Colonialism. And then, when brown skinned people try to escape the mess that stems from that, they are subject to abuse and bigotry in the first world countries they flee to.

First world countries are trashing the rest of the world and then getting angry when people from those parts start wanting to migrate to where there is a better future.

Africa has had a lot of time to get into its own stride since colonisation. The people that are alive today aren't responsible for what their ancestors did.

The real issue, the one that was primary to my post was the push far right groups in France will be able to enact, and the potential power they will gain because of hysteria and anti-muslim and anti-immigrant sentiments,

Then why not simply have said that, instead of essentially saying whites think they're better than blacks?

[Vilanat]

This is the most dangerous part of this situation, excluding the direct violence perpetrated against muslims after the attacks of extremists. (which will undoubtedly continue for some time.)

http://www.vice.com/read/far-right-france-philip-kleinfeld?utm_source=vicefbus

Incidentally, this is what Charlie Hebdo was about and why I am not Charlie.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

That is the boko haram sex slaves, children, shown as welfare queens.

No one should die for these cartoon. Fuck these cartoons. People reposting racist shit because of a tragedy makes me ill. Freedom of speech comes with responsibilities attached. Being offensive for the sake of being offensive, especially wehen you are "punching down" just reinforces the status quo.

I feel the same dread and fear I felt after 9/11. Things are going to get ugly in the developed world. They are going to get significantly more dangerous. And it isn't terrorist groups that are going to perpetrate this.

Incidentally, Boko Haram killed about 2000 people in Nigeria recently. In one attack. Why are there no hashtags when the people killed are brown?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

Anyway, je suis Ahmed.

No its not. the most dangerous part of this situation is more radical islamists getting inspired to commit more terror attacks.

Ahmed just happened to be a muslim while he got shot doing his paid for job, he wasn't killed for being a muslim, he was killed for being a police officer.

Je Suis Charlie. Je Suis Juif. Je Suis Policier seems like far more fitting hash tags, since those were the actual targets.

[Descan]

To be fair, as far as I could tell, Charlie was considered a "left wing" rag. If THAT is what a left wing rag in France is, then something is definitely rotten in the state of Frankreich.

[smeeprocket]

To be fair, as far as I could tell, Charlie was considered a "left wing" rag. If THAT is what a left wing rag in France is, then something is definitely rotten in the state of Frankreich.

agreed.

Vilanat, are you aware of the violence against muslims that has already occurred because of this, or the support for nationalist political parties that will have a much much larger impact than the terrorist attacks and will promote the oppression of people.

Dwarfy, white people continue to oppress black people in Africa. That is still a thing, from the white people living there to white corporations crippling the average person and taking any potential wealth to be given to the white upper class in the first world.

I realize many people picture Africa as this series of hovels that have always been that way and when apartheid was lifted in south africa that was all fixed and they are responsible for their own fate now, but that is not how interactions between the first and third world ever occur.

[TD1]

Dwarfy, white people continue to oppress black people in Africa. That is still a thing, from the white people living there to white corporations crippling the average person and taking any potential wealth to be given to the white upper class in the first world.

We have strict laws on quality and safety. Africa does not. Corporations go there because it's cheaper. This makes the African governments money. If the Africans wanted rid of them, they could impose harsher strictures- they do not. Deal with African politics and solve that problem.

Anyway, that's typical corporation behaviour, hardly a trait unique to the West.

[smeeprocket]

Dwarfy, white people continue to oppress black people in Africa. That is still a thing, from the white people living there to white corporations crippling the average person and taking any potential wealth to be given to the white upper class in the first world.

We have strict laws on quality and safety. Africa does not. Corporations go there because it's cheaper. This makes the African governments money. If the Africans wanted rid of them, they could impose harsher strictures- they do not. Deal with African politics and solve that problem.

Anyway, that's typical corporation behaviour, hardly a trait unique to the West.

That sounds like a lot of excuses for the wholesale oppression of brown skinned people,but I guess this isn't an african politics thread.

[TD1]

Corporations go there to make money, because they can.

Not to oppress black people.

[Vilanat]

To be fair, as far as I could tell, Charlie was considered a "left wing" rag. If THAT is what a left wing rag in France is, then something is definitely rotten in the state of Frankreich.

agreed.

Vilanat, are you aware of the violence against muslims that has already occurred because of this, or the support for nationalist political parties that will have a much much larger impact than the terrorist attacks and will promote the oppression of people.

Dwarfy, white people continue to oppress black people in Africa. That is still a thing, from the white people living there to white corporations crippling the average person and taking any potential wealth to be given to the white upper class in the first world.

I realize many people picture Africa as this series of hovels that have always been that way and when apartheid was lifted in south africa that was all fixed and they are responsible for their own fate now, but that is not how interactions between the first and third world ever occur.

I do. so far no casualties. for what i know, not even a slight injury. hardly a comparison to the violence jihadists/radical islamists had performed and will perform because of this attack.

[smeeprocket]

To be fair, as far as I could tell, Charlie was considered a "left wing" rag. If THAT is what a left wing rag in France is, then something is definitely rotten in the state of Frankreich.

agreed.

Vilanat, are you aware of the violence against muslims that has already occurred because of this, or the support for nationalist political parties that will have a much much larger impact than the terrorist attacks and will promote the oppression of people.

Dwarfy, white people continue to oppress black people in Africa. That is still a thing, from the white people living there to white corporations crippling the average person and taking any potential wealth to be given to the white upper class in the first world.

I realize many people picture Africa as this series of hovels that have always been that way and when apartheid was lifted in south africa that was all fixed and they are responsible for their own fate now, but that is not how interactions between the first and third world ever occur.

I do. so far no casualties. for what i know, not even a slight injury. hardly a comparison to the violence jihadists/radical islamists had performed and will perform because of this attack.

wrong, a woman four months pregnant miscarried due to being assaulted.

Are you really playing a game where you think, because some extremists killed some racist cartoonists, nothing that happens to Muslims or Arabs in the aftermath matters, even if you only don't count it unless there is a death, that's quite a disturbing view to have, and something I fear a lot of French individuals share.

These rallies happening in public feel more and more like hate demonstrations than gatherings of solidarity.

[TD1]

wrong, a woman four months pregnant miscarried due to being assaulted.

Are you really playing a game where you think, because some extremists killed some racist cartoonists, nothing that happens to Muslims or Arabs in the aftermath matters, even if you only don't count it unless there is a death, that's quite a disturbing view to have, and something I fear a lot of French individuals share.

These rallies happening in public feel more and more like hate demonstrations than gatherings of solidarity.

I don't believe he said the aftermath wasn't important. He said extremist retaliation is more concerning. Angry citizens may harass Muslims- extremists, much more often, will kill people, and possibly blow up the odd building/ cultural landmark whilst about it.

[Vilanat]

No, what i am saying is that you are fear mongering and that the chances of something serious happening to Muslims/Arabs is far less likely than something serious happening to Jews or Policemen. i would be far more scared being a Jew or a police officer in France right now than being a Muslim Arab, that's for sure.