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[Propman]

A classical case of Catch-22: not responding to the incident gives the extremists more leeway to continue their actions, yet responding to their actions causes the divide between their people and ours to widen, thus encouraging more in both groups to go the extreme route. Nevertheless, somebody has to be accountable for this course of action, and whether it be us or them, somebody shall ultimately leave repressed.

Of course, we (the US, Canada, and Europe, and all our allies) could perhaps pool resources to rebuild the Middle East a-la South Korea so the native populace need not rely on extremism as a means of outlet, but that is neither then or now.

[smeeprocket]

This should be fairly obvious. Xenophobia still exists if you run around positing hypothetical to pretend like you don't really mean it.

Likewise, people everyday sling a little bit of mud on someone else's viewpoint for the sake of a forum post, even if they act like they have the moral high ground.

by dissenting? By saying that thinking is dangerous? or is this just you lashing out again at me for perceived problems we never discussed in private?

[smeeprocket]

A classical case of Catch-22: not responding to the incident gives the extremists more leeway to continue their actions, yet responding to their actions causes the divide between their people and ours to widen, thus encouraging more in both groups to go the extreme route. Nevertheless, somebody has to be accountable for this course of action, and whether it be us or them, somebody shall ultimately leave repressed.

Of course, we (the US, Canada, and Europe, and all our allies) could perhaps pool resources to rebuild the Middle East a-la South Korea so the native populace need not rely on extremism as a means of outlet, but that is neither then or now.

nonono it's not "us" or "them". Many many muslims are on your side. A vast majority of them do not support this kind of act. This is not a war between two types of people, we are all in this together. These were extremists.

I don't blame all christians every time some psycho bombs an abortion clinic.

Stop drawing an imaginary line between you and others. You need to be united in this to solve it. That is what heals wounds and prevents tragedies.

[Propman]

A classical case of Catch-22: not responding to the incident gives the extremists more leeway to continue their actions, yet responding to their actions causes the divide between their people and ours to widen, thus encouraging more in both groups to go the extreme route. Nevertheless, somebody has to be accountable for this course of action, and whether it be us or them, somebody shall ultimately leave repressed.

Of course, we (the US, Canada, and Europe, and all our allies) could perhaps pool resources to rebuild the Middle East a-la South Korea so the native populace need not rely on extremism as a means of outlet, but that is neither then or now.

nonono it's not "us" or "them". Many many muslims are on your side. A vast majority of them do not support this kind of act. This is not a war between two types of people, we are all in this together. These were extremists.

I don't blame all christians every time some psycho bombs an abortion clinic.

Stop drawing an imaginary line between you and others. You need to be united in this to solve it. That is what heals wounds and prevents tragedies.

By "them" I mean the extremists, of course, and not the Muslims as a people. They're trying to use this to draw more Muslims into their ranks while subsequently alienating the Muslim populace from the general public, so that they have no choice BUT to side with them. I know this because I've had firsthand experience with the extreme side in my trips to the PI. As you can see, such tactics are rather effective, at least in the alienation bit.

[smeeprocket]

that alienation comes from both sides.

I think this article sums up my real fear on this

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/7/france-charlie-hebdo.html?utm_content=main&utm_campaign=ajam&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow

the thing is, France was already bad about censoring the dress of Muslim women in some misguided and ignorant attempt to "unoppress" them (control is control, regardless of what direction it goes in.)

It's all very scary for me. It's important for both sides to reach out to each other and support each other. Further divides will make this worse.

[Erkki]

1 dead, 2 caught.

Congrats France!

[Propman]

Both sides blaming one another is exactly what the extremists want, as it furthers their ultimate goal of the Middle East versus West scenario they wish to create. However, so long as non-extremist groups, such as parts of the populace of Afghanistan, find themselves reliant to their extremist counterparts in some way, be it opium, food, or even because the extremists are the only way their political views can be heard, the insurgents will always have a pool of power to draw from. It is up to somebody, be it the West or the East or the dependents themselves, to break this chain of necessity, and only then might the threat of terrorism be ultimately solved.

[Graknorke]

Honestly I think that the best solution is already happening.
Mocking the terrorists responsible.

There is no better way to demonstrate that the attack was completely ineffectual in its goals.

[Erkki]

Sorry, still no proper source...

But I wasn't being racist after all was I?

In the meanwhile:



edit: something: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-magazine-attack/paris-attack-suspect-dead-two-custody-u-s-officials-say-n281761
edit2: "Hamyd Mourad, the youngest of the three suspects. has surrendered to police" from AFP

[smjjames]

The police officer shot dead on the ground while he held his hands up was Ahmed Merabet, a French Muslim.

The irony.

1 dead, 2 caught.

Congrats France!

Source? CNN says that the 18 year old surrendered (and is alive I think), the other two are still on the run.

[MarcAFK]

For anyone interested in the Satirical cartoonist's take on the tragedy:
Illustrators and cartoonists grieve the Charlie Hebdo attack : http://imgur.com/gallery/8VqMG

[nenjin]

"He drew first." I actually laughed then felt bad for laughing then laughed again.

[Sheb]

Apparently the raid in Reims was "just to collect DNA". My guess is that they though they were there but they weren't. Apparently there is another op underway in Charleville-Mézière, near the Belgian border. That's rather bad, if they manage to escape the country, it'll be really hard to find them.

The younger suspect surrender and was in school at the time of the shooting. I'm not sure why he even was a suspect in the first place: all the videos shows only to gunmen, no driver.

[Vilanat]

Honestly I think that the best solution is already happening.
Mocking the terrorists responsible.

There is no better way to demonstrate that the attack was completely ineffectual in its goals.

Most media outlets are refraining from showing charlie's mocking cartoons. even the more defying ones show the mild cartoons. terrorism is sadly pretty effective. many cartoon artists will think twice and thrice before posting a cartoon that even slightly mocks Islam.

The police officer shot dead on the ground while he held his hands up was Ahmed Merabet, a French Muslim.

The irony.

1 dead, 2 caught.

Congrats France!

Source? CNN says that the 18 year old surrendered (and is alive I think), the other two are still on the run.

An 18 years old homeless is not exactly the usual suspect for being a fighting terrorist that knows how to handle assault rifles.

[Sheb]

Well, the rumor was that he was the driver.