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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Okay people in this thread have changed my mind, though I still can't come to terms with it in restaurants because there is food involved.

Restaurants are for eating, so it could be considered even more appropriate than most places.

[smeeprocket]

Yes, there are mixed views. But when the answer doesn't cost much at all, then why shouldn't they do it in a private fashion?

It makes no sense to do it in such a way that others have to see whether they want to or not. It's not fair on those who don't wish to see it.

you're insisting that they bend to your desires when the overall cultural thoughts are mixed. What makes you priority?

It's just as easy to fix by exercising your free will and breastfeeding as to have to shuffle over to some secluded spot and breastfeed there. Easier to do it in public actually, now that I write it out.

edit: restaurants should not be for eating bodily fluids tho.

[TD1]

Yes, there are mixed views. But when the answer doesn't cost much at all, then why shouldn't they do it in a private fashion?

It makes no sense to do it in such a way that others have to see whether they want to or not. It's not fair on those who don't wish to see it.

you're insisting that they bend to your desires when the overall cultural thoughts are mixed. What makes you priority?

It's just as easy to fix by exercising your free will and breastfeeding as to have to shuffle over to some secluded spot and breastfeed there. Easier to do it in public actually, now that I write it out.

edit: restaurants should not be for eating bodily fluids tho.

I insist on nothing. I ask they that they consider others. Their view is that it's okay to breastfeed in public. It's normal to them, you might say. A lot of people don't share this view- you can either do as you see fit and expose everyone, those who are okay with it (and who therefore don't care) and those who aren't (and therefore do care.) If I were doing something which set so many people ill at ease, I'd try to facilitate them, especially since it doesn't particularly matter how you feed the child.

[smeeprocket]

Yes, there are mixed views. But when the answer doesn't cost much at all, then why shouldn't they do it in a private fashion?

It makes no sense to do it in such a way that others have to see whether they want to or not. It's not fair on those who don't wish to see it.

you're insisting that they bend to your desires when the overall cultural thoughts are mixed. What makes you priority?

It's just as easy to fix by exercising your free will and breastfeeding as to have to shuffle over to some secluded spot and breastfeed there. Easier to do it in public actually, now that I write it out.

edit: restaurants should not be for eating bodily fluids tho.

I insist on nothing. I ask they that they consider others. Their view is that it's okay to breastfeed in public. It's normal to them, you might say. A lot of people don't share this view- you can either do as you see fit and expose everyone, those who are okay with it (and who therefore don't care) and those who aren't (and therefore do care.) If I were doing something which set so many people ill at ease, I'd try to facilitate them, especially since it doesn't particularly matter how you feed the child.

It does matter though (god what happened to me, why am I arguing for this) the woman is forced to isolate herself in shame of her body, or she does it in public and ignores said shamers. Answer sounds very clear to me, and it doesn't involve appeasing people who find the female body a source of shame.

[Frumple]

But when the answer doesn't cost much at all, then why shouldn't they do it in a private fashion?

... well, if you're going to use a "least cost" heuristic, the least cost involved is probably "don't look", as opposed to the people in question moving out of their way to some hidden place or screwing with their schedule or whatnot to provide for some people's sensibilities.

Having been around breast feeding folks fairly recently, it's... not a big deal to just not stare or whathaveyou. First time or two is maybe a little unsettling because it's unusual, but after that it's... just a thing.

[Antsan]

Yes, there are mixed views. But when the answer doesn't cost much at all, then why shouldn't they do it in a private fashion?

It makes no sense to do it in such a way that others have to see whether they want to or not. It's not fair on those who don't wish to see it.

you're insisting that they bend to your desires when the overall cultural thoughts are mixed. What makes you priority?

It's just as easy to fix by exercising your free will and breastfeeding as to have to shuffle over to some secluded spot and breastfeed there. Easier to do it in public actually, now that I write it out.

edit: restaurants should not be for eating bodily fluids tho.

I insist on nothing. I ask they that they consider others. Their view is that it's okay to breastfeed in public. It's normal to them, you might say. A lot of people don't share this view- you can either do as you see fit and expose everyone, those who are okay with it (and who therefore don't care) and those who aren't (and therefore do care.) If I were doing something which set so many people ill at ease, I'd try to facilitate them, especially since it doesn't particularly matter how you feed the child.

It does matter. Having to manage additional clothing is a source of stress, which influences the quality of the milk.

Also you are restricting the kind of situations you feel comfortable in for no reason I can discern (other than "I learned it that way").
It's exactly the same as feeling uncomfortable when people are laughing in the streets.

[TD1]

Who said anything about shame? People get embarrassed, they don't throw stones at breast feeding women and call them whores. She's not forced to isolate herself. Just either be discreet in feeding the child (in which case the child gets fed there and then anyway, just without people having to watch.)

When you see a man walking past naked, do you feel that the male body is a source of shame?

Some people just don't like the idea of watching a baby suck bodily fluid, as you called it.

But when the answer doesn't cost much at all, then why shouldn't they do it in a private fashion?

... well, if you're going to use a "least cost" heuristic, the least cost involved is probably "don't look", as opposed to the people in question moving out of their way to some hidden place or screwing with their schedule or whatnot to provide for some people's sensibilities.

Having been around breast feeding folks fairly recently, it's... not a big deal to just not stare or whathaveyou. First time or two is maybe a little unsettling because it's unusual, but after that it's... just a thing.

People shouldn't have to look in the first place.

It does matter. Having to manage additional clothing is a source of stress, which influences the quality of the milk.

You wouldn't have to do anything- it would be nice if you would, though. Hardly stressful when it's optional.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

edit: restaurants should not be for eating bodily fluids tho.

That's what babies eat, the way you're portraying this is very unfair.

[TD1]

Smee, you're being ageist

[scrdest]

edit: restaurants should not be for eating bodily fluids tho.

That's what babies eat, the way you're portraying this is very unfair.

And if any dairy product - to not stray too far - is involved at all in the cooking, which it almost definitely is most of the time, then not only are you eating bodily fluids, you're eating non-human bodily fluids.

[smeeprocket]

edit: restaurants should not be for eating bodily fluids tho.

That's what babies eat, the way you're portraying this is very unfair.

Don't make me argue this because the other person arguing it is coming off as terribly sexist, imo.

Even if babies do eat bodily fluids, the sound and implications, which are much harder to avoid in an enclosed space, where you are consuming food, is just stomach turning.

Although, personally, I would prefer people didn't bring their kids to restaurants other than kid specific ones anyway. Because breastfeeding is just one of the myriad of issues that bother me, the more common ones are the kids running around and being a general nuisance, squealing, crying, screaming, throwing food.

Children should be neither seen NOR heard.

alcohol is not a bodily fluid, not sure on that line of thought. But I will firmly agree with the other proposed rules. Yes to all of those.

And yes, I am being ageist, don't remind me. Does it count if it is against kids? Because wouldn't they experience "kid privilege" I'm the one being oppressed for being in my 30s dammit.

[TD1]

Don't make me argue this because the other person arguing it is coming off as terribly sexist, imo.

Listen, I don't care what views you have, but what I don't appreciate is being insulted, so kindly don't.

[smeeprocket]

Don't make me argue this because the other person arguing it is coming off as terribly sexist, imo.

Listen, I don't care what views you have, but what I don't appreciate is being insulted, so kindly don't.

sorry, but wanting to shame women for their body is pretty sexist. We get shamed enough already for it.

[scrdest]

Even if babies do eat bodily fluids, the sound and implications, which are much harder to avoid in an enclosed space, where you are consuming food, is just stomach turning.

No, it's not. Not objectively. And if it's not objective, you might as well ban consuming pork and beef in public in case a stray religious person with cultural objections finds it disgusting.

[TD1]

"Sorry, but..." is a pet hate of mine.

And as I said, shame has nothing to do it. You seem to think everything I just said is because I believe women have detestable, shameful bodies? I don't. I think women are independent people who can do whatever they feel like, as any person can. Different standards of propriety to yours do not make me a sexist.