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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13410 on: December 11, 2014, 12:56:30 pm »

Oh, first spoiler wasn't working for me (site likely blocked by work filter), so I assumed it was just one picture. Apologies, carry on, nothing to see here.
Spoiler: Reuploaded to Imgur (click to show/hide)
Thanks! Also, HAHAHA you can SEE that it's dessert. The Ukraine is all dessert, right? *chuckles to self, then quickly checks google earth to make sure he isn't grossly mistaken*

so that's why russia wants a slice of that

it's a huge goddamn cake
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13411 on: December 11, 2014, 01:02:16 pm »

My god.

It's desserted.

Oh the humanity, all that whipped cream!
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13412 on: December 11, 2014, 01:13:52 pm »

I refuse to correct that typo, and will instead insist that's what meant. Did you not know?
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« Reply #13413 on: December 12, 2014, 05:21:28 am »

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« Reply #13414 on: December 12, 2014, 07:56:31 am »

The minimum hourly wage in Scotland is set by the UK government and is currently £6.50 ($10.21) I think, having risen a bit since July from £6.31 ($9.92). The SNP want control over the minimum wage to be devolved to our government so we can set a Scottish national minimum wage for the first time and they would raise it to at least £7.45 ($11.71), or the £7.65 ($12.02) recommended by a group set up by the SNP to look into welfare with independence. The SNP's main goal is for it to rise with the cost of inflation - the current set up doesn't work that way.

Labour fought tooth and nail to prevent the national minimum wage being devolved to Scotland under the post-referendum devolution settlement set up a month or two ago. They would rather it be under the control of a Conservative government than a government elected by the Scottish people, evidently. That said, they seem to be campaigning for a national minimum wage of £8 an hour ($12.57), but they would implement it "by 2020" which is a long way away. If we raise the minimum wage by 2.5% each year we'd get £7.53, which is essentially Labour's headline price - and basically the same thing as the SNP's proposals, except we have to wait for the pink elephant of another Labour majority to get it. But yeah, a paltry increase of 47p an hour each year - will that really make any difference to the working poor in this country?

The Scottish Socialist Party are currently campaigning for a national minimum wage (in Scotland) or more accurately a "living wage" of £10 an hour or ($15.73), as they have been doing so since 1998. I lean most in favour of that settlement, with the absolute minimum I would settle for being £7.65.

A "team member" working in Burger King in Edinburgh would make about £6.50 an hour, working 8 hour shifts for 5 days, which would make about £260 ($408.69) a week if I calculated that correctly, would be living just over the poverty line - which is £225 (£353.85) a week. Add in a young family to support or debts or god knows what in this current economic climate and that could push them under. With a £10 an hour minimum wage they'd get around £400 ($628.60) for a 5 day working week of 8 hour shifts. Considering the benefit to the economy that younger people having that much money to spend would do and also the fact that it would allow them to have bigger families, I believe that would be a good course of action.

For my fellow Europeans and even Americans and people from further afield, what is the minimum wage in your country?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13415 on: December 12, 2014, 07:59:10 am »

We don't have one yet, but they'll introduce one soon at €8.50. It's rather controversial, and there's a fair amount of exceptions.
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« Reply #13416 on: December 12, 2014, 07:59:19 am »

It's € 346,55 a week here. Not tied to hours of work.

It's lower if you're younger than 23 though. It's € 103,95 at 15, which is the lowest.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13417 on: December 12, 2014, 08:00:44 am »

€ 345,05 a week
Holy crap, €1500 per month? You must've made a mistake.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13418 on: December 12, 2014, 08:01:26 am »

Yeah sorry, that was last year's.

This is before taxation of course.
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« Reply #13419 on: December 12, 2014, 08:03:36 am »

You can compare this to the Scottish poverty line of £900 a month or €1137. The weekly wage for people younger than 23 in the Netherlands (about £82) is basically what I was advocating should be the daily wage for team members in Burger King, or anyone else working 8 hour shifts.

I'm surprised at Germany though. We may be quite lucky in Britain that our minimum wage is tied into hours of work.
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« Reply #13420 on: December 12, 2014, 08:05:57 am »

Polandland: 10PLN/h before tax. 7.2PLN/h is what you actually get after all the various deductions for healthcare and whatnot.
That translates to €2.4 and €1.75 respectively.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13421 on: December 12, 2014, 08:06:13 am »

From what little I can tell there is no taxation at that level though, so I guess it's also kinda after taxation in this case?

To be honest I've never worked a day in my life so I'm not the most qualified person to talk about Dutch wages :P
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« Reply #13422 on: December 12, 2014, 08:08:49 am »

Polandland: 10PLN/h before tax. 7.2PLN/h is what you actually get after all the various deductions for healthcare and whatnot.
That translates to €2.4 and €1.75 respectively.

Considering a working class Polish person working in Burger King in Scotland would go from $2.99 an hour to $10.21 (not counting tax etc), I can see why even credit crunch Britain seems like a good place to live and work.
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« Reply #13423 on: December 12, 2014, 08:11:11 am »

Ayup. Been there done that.
Although one needs to remember there is a difference in the price of basic commodities as well.
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« Reply #13424 on: December 12, 2014, 08:12:15 am »

Ayup. Been there done that.
Although one needs to remember there is a difference in the price of basic commodities as well.

This is very true. At least sending money home could make a big difference to your family's wellbeing etc.
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