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[Descan]

Nah, they're little stubby horns, they don't hurt _much.

[Morrigi]

Asshole reporting in

[Erkki]

Related video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sen8Tn8CBA4

[Descan]

I just realized.

Reds? Greens? This just in: The entire leftist sphere is made up of Christmas elves.

[LordSlowpoke]

nothin' better to build socialism with than good old slave labor

[XXSockXX]

Another Ukraine thread locked? What happened, the usual stuff?

Like Helgo said there, I find these threads interesting. Some mind-boggling stuff in there, but you learn a lot. Haven't posted much in there lately due to lack of time and increasingly circular debates, but it's sad to see another one go.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

It wasn't a constructive topic by any meaning of the word. We have the same circular debates in the spin off topics as here, but with more direct injections of propaganda.

[Sergarr]

Yeah, it wasn't.

I probably should work on installing some mental breaks. To keep my inner madness in check.

[Guardian G.I.]

Yeah, it wasn't.

I probably should work on installing some mental breaks. To keep my inner madness in check.

Giving in to emotions in Ukraine threads is very inadvisable.

[XXSockXX]

Well, yeah it was not very constructive, though in a way kinda representative of the deteriorating East-West relations. Would have been surprising if we had made much progress anyway.

[Owlbread]

One of the many phoenixes rising from the ashes of the independence campaign has been the creation of something called Scottish Evening News, a crowdfunded news station that currently puts up news bulletins online every so often. They used to be a group that made spoof/parody videos called "Dateline Scotland" - parodying the BBC's biased coverage. They hope to launch professionally on TV next year in the Spring, so these are examples of their broadcasts:

Immigration (in relation to Scotland): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjswesStGd8

TTIP (in relation to Scotland) and the NHS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBdBdzeaYcA

The most recent one regarding the issue of foodbanks in Scotland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkQ2nGWc168

It is important to note that absolutely none of these issues are covered on a regular basis by BBC Scotland. If they are covered at all it's at a "national" (i.e. UK) level, delivered by people with a London centric outlook.

Scottish Evening News hope to comment on international news from a Scottish perspective. I have never heard someone on the BBC talk in a Scottish accent about the ebola crisis, for instance. Anything they do will be of enormous benefit to the campaign to get broadcasting devolved to Scotland so we can have a true national broadcaster - unlike BBC Scotland which is pretty terrible and reports inane claptrap and parochial nonsense, invariably inferior to the "true" news i.e. London news.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

You killed Ukrainian thread without my involvement. Monsters!

[Guardian G.I.]

A reply to Owlbread's post in the dead Ukraine thread. Toady locked it before I could reply.

I should also add - do you think people in Britain in 2014 will flock to support Ukrainians in a land invasion/bombing campaign of Russia in a situation where the West is the aggressor? People over here, if they have an opinion at all, think the Ukrainian government are Nazis. They think Putin's a gangster, sure, but they're not backing any horse in this race and considering the response to Iraq in 2003 I can only imagine what kind of protests we'd see.

A well-done media campaign can easily change that. Just look at the first few days after MH17 - the anti-Russian frenzy in the EU was immense. If NATO started a war against Russia shortly after the 17th of July 2014, it would be widely supported. Hell, many people would probably volunteer to go fight the Russian hordes.
Russians have been seen as a threat for Europe's existence for centuries, and a centuries-long feud can hardly be completely resolved. Justifying a war with Russia is much easier than with some Middle Eastern country - Britain and other European countries haven't had as much bad blood with Iraqi Arabs as with Russians.

[Owlbread]

It is true that to many Europeans the Russians are more distant and an Asiatic-ness has been cultivated in propaganda of them in the past, but considering a European aircraft was shot down by Russian rebels in Ukraine who are backed, funded and possibly even staffed by the Russian government one can understand why some people would want to talk about war and so on because of emotion. I think that's justified, but in the event of an actual war I would be out in the streets of my capital protesting against the war and I would be joining tens of thousands. It's hard for you to grasp this but the anti Russians and conservatives are a vocal minority. The vast majority of people in Western countries with regard to almost any political issue couldn't care less and have 0 opinions. Most couldn't find Ukraine on a map. They only care when their little bubble is invaded by something so big it involves them and a US led invasion of Russia would certainly intrude on their bubble.

It's unfortunate that you took such care to read that post and ignored the one where I said part of the problem for you may be that you look at history and directly relate it to the future e.g. NATO is secretly Nazi Germany in disguise. I recommend looking for precedents and trends as you have done but rather than applying them directly, learm from them and try tp make room for a degree of nuance e.g. the "othering" of Russia will likely be used in propaganda campaigns against them, but at the same time because it's 2014 not 1914 there will likely be a large number of people who will, after the horrors of Iraq, see through it all.

[Sergarr]

It is true that to many Europeans the Russians are more distant and an Asiatic-ness has been cultivated in propaganda of them in the past, but considering a European aircraft was shot down by Russian rebels in Ukraine who are backed, funded and possibly even staffed by the Russian government one can understand why some people would want to talk about war and so on because of emotion. I think that's justified, but in the event of an actual war I would be out in the streets of my capital protesting against the war and I would be joining tens of thousands. It's hard for you to grasp this but the anti Russians and conservatives are a vocal minority. The vast majority of people in Western countries with regard to almost any political issue couldn't care less and have 0 opinions. Most couldn't find Ukraine on a map. They only care when their little bubble is invaded by something so big it involves them and a US led invasion of Russia would certainly intrude on their bubble.

It's unfortunate that you took such care to read that post and ignored the one where I said part of the problem for you may be that you look at history and directly relate it to the future e.g. NATO is secretly Nazi Germany in disguise. I recommend looking for precedents and trends as you have done but rather than applying them directly, learm from them and try tp make room for a degree of nuance e.g. the "othering" of Russia will likely be used in propaganda campaigns against them, but at the same time because it's 2014 not 1914 there will likely be a large number of people who will, after the horrors of Iraq, see through it all.

The Ukrainians have successfully "othered" Russians with "vatniks", which are totally not humans and killing them is not a sin for Ukrainians.

It has been done in less than a year.

The humans haven't changed a bit since 1914.