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[mainiac]

At the end of the day democracy is about picking which elites to place your faith in.  That's alright though.  If 90% of people are picking based on prejudices then the left and the right can tactically court those blocks and both end up with about half, balancing each other out.

[BlindKitty]

Unfortunately, many on the left fall for the same seductive lure that claims the right: all-encompassing and unquestionably dogmatic social theory. It's halfway to being a religion.

I might sound a little repetitive here, but I could say the same thing, just put 'left' and 'right' where you put 'right' and 'left'. Ain't it funny, how the view point affects you?

[scrdest]

Unfortunately, many on the left fall for the same seductive lure that claims the right: all-encompassing and unquestionably dogmatic social theory. It's halfway to being a religion.

I might sound a little repetitive here, but I could say the same thing, just put 'left' and 'right' where you put 'right' and 'left'. Ain't it funny, how the view point affects you?

Except... that wouldn't change a single thing in the communicate. You literally would say the exact same thing, just with a very minor change in phrasing.

[BlindKitty]

Unfortunately, many on the left fall for the same seductive lure that claims the right: all-encompassing and unquestionably dogmatic social theory. It's halfway to being a religion.

I might sound a little repetitive here, but I could say the same thing, just put 'left' and 'right' where you put 'right' and 'left'. Ain't it funny, how the view point affects you?

Except... that wouldn't change a single thing in the communicate. You literally would say the exact same thing, just with a very minor change in phrasing.

Not really, no. The way that MSH phrases it, it sounds like the leftists are generally reasonable, but some of them fall prey to problem that persists on the vast majority of rightists; so I would be saying that vast majority of leftists are near-religious (no surprise, seeing as many of them consider themselves atheists) in their acceptance of the cause, and it also happens quite often among the - reasonable in general - rightists.

[WarRoot]

At the end of the day democracy is about picking which elites to place your faith in.  That's alright though.  If 90% of people are picking based on prejudices then the left and the right can tactically court those blocks and both end up with about half, balancing each other out.

In what?

[mainiac]

In what?

In elections.

[Sergarr]

But why do they need to be balanced in the first place? If the parties constantly shift and change, then who's left to do all the long-term planning?

[scrdest]

Unfortunately, many on the left fall for the same seductive lure that claims the right: all-encompassing and unquestionably dogmatic social theory. It's halfway to being a religion.

I might sound a little repetitive here, but I could say the same thing, just put 'left' and 'right' where you put 'right' and 'left'. Ain't it funny, how the view point affects you?

Except... that wouldn't change a single thing in the communicate. You literally would say the exact same thing, just with a very minor change in phrasing.

Not really, no. The way that MSH phrases it, it sounds like the leftists are generally reasonable, but some of them fall prey to problem that persists on the vast majority of rightists; so I would be saying that vast majority of leftists are near-religious (no surprise, seeing as many of them consider themselves atheists) in their acceptance of the cause, and it also happens quite often among the - reasonable in general - rightists.

Yes. That only shows that phrasing is important. Framing is powerful, yo.

And if you claim atheism is a religion, I'm just going to laugh at you.

[Sergarr]

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.

atheism
[ey-thee-iz-uh m]
noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.


Atheism can be a religion, according to these definitions.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Can we keep religion out of that thread, please?

[Owlbread]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Well, things are going to be interesting over the next few years. The SNP have to position themselves as the political party of "Home Rule", an old concept that dates back to the 1900s-1940s that can be brought-up-to-date as "control over everything besides defence and foreign affairs". There would be a very clear majority in favour of that, even among older people and Conservatives. With control over all of these resources we can once again prove that we can actually govern ourselves competently, as it is evident that people still are not convinced of this.The SNP will and should always be the party of independence, however - if Westminster fails to deliver on its promises of greater devolution, as seems likely from where we are sitting, we need to ramp up the pressure. If the UK votes to leave the European Union that will change everything. The Scottish government, in my eyes anyway, would never accept being pulled out of the EU by the British electorate. Scotland will probably end up having another referendum around 2020: either a year or so after or before. I think we'd be more likely to win the next referendum in any case - Britain is about to embroil us in some kind of swirling vortex of despair and agony in Iraq and god knows how that will go.

In the meantime we need to polish our strategy to the Nth degree to ensure we don't miss the grey vote like we did last time. Ruling social media is fine and dandy, but unless we get broadcasting devolved to Scotland and unless we can get at least one more pro-independence newspaper going in addition to the single newspaper (published on a sunday) that we currently have, perhaps even another weekly would do, then we will stand a better chance of getting votes.

The wider Yes movement looks like it's going to continue in some shape or form. It will likely be some kind of electoral pact involving lots of tactical votes for the SNP from pro-Yes people of all backgrounds; whether Green, nationalist or Socialist.

[smjjames]

But why do they need to be balanced in the first place? If the parties constantly shift and change, then who's left to do all the long-term planning?

Political parties are going to shift and change over time no matter what. It's just a degree of how fast.

Can we keep religion out of that thread, please?

You mean THIS thread, not that thread, and yes, take the religion stuff elsewhere guys.

fakeedit: And the Owlbread returns!

[scrdest]

Holy shit, Owlbread, you're alive!

[Descan]

Just gonna say, if you twist the meaning of the word "religion" enough to force atheism into it, then the word just becomes meaningless.

[Sergarr]

The Owlbread lives... again!