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Sergarr

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10905 on: September 14, 2014, 04:51:52 pm »

To UR:
1) There won't be a collapse while the media is under Putin's control, because there will be nobody to spread panic around.

Lenin helped with 'The Worker's Cause' news sheet (and was arrested for it), and later funded Искра, at a time when most if not all media where under tsarist control too you know..
Yeah, this sort of media attacks were prevalent in Russia since the 1986 to the 2011, right up to the Bolotnaya square unrest. Since that the Putin has affirmed a total control over Russian media, and with that, a total control over Russian minds.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10906 on: September 14, 2014, 05:16:03 pm »

3) "Control"? Do you really think you "control" your politicians now? Oh yeah, keep telling yourself that, while your patriots keep dying on the front, while the politicians behind continue to send them there.
You'll never control your politicians if you allow them to send you to die while they remain in complete safety. Please tell me, how's that "lustration" going? Last time I heard exactly zero people got in jail because of it.
As I said we are in process of getting control over them. Long road ahead. I can assure you that they forced to listen to people (to some extent). Because they no that else they will have problems at elections... or new Maydan. Maydan from people that got weapons

Lustartion is indeed halted. Something I am not happy about. But war and having to too look nice in the eyes of European community are serious problems here. Unfortunately European public opinion will not understand jailing without a proper trial. Even ongoing case of banning of Communist party isn't welcomed well.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10907 on: September 14, 2014, 05:17:47 pm »

So Sergarr, you really think the government taking control of the media is a good thing?
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Sergarr

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10908 on: September 14, 2014, 05:38:31 pm »

So Sergarr, you really think the government taking control of the media is a good thing?
It's better than allowing random people to incite panic over things that may or may not be true. Like it is currently working in Ukraine.

Media is one of attack directions in case of war, and I don't want to leave it unprotected and vulnerable to enemy influence.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10909 on: September 14, 2014, 05:39:25 pm »

I think Sergarr's take on media control is 'It's good for the state'.
Am I right?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10910 on: September 14, 2014, 05:39:46 pm »

Thanks for clarifying what the parties stand for, Scriver. I kind of forgot that we're very much to the left of american standards.

FI wants equal rights for everyone, no matter gender or sexuality. Anti-racism. Open borders, six-hour workday, make all non-consentual sex illegal (don't ask me, I don't really know how rape is defined currently) Get rid of the weapon export, even less money to the military.

They are a mix between the left, the greens and modern feminism.
... I'd vote for 'em.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10911 on: September 14, 2014, 05:42:19 pm »

So Sergarr, you really think the government taking control of the media is a good thing?
It's better than allowing random people to incite panic over things that may or may not be true. Like it is currently working in Ukraine.

Media is one of attack directions in case of war, and I don't want to leave it unprotected and vulnerable to enemy influence.

If I understand this correctly you are literally being asked to be fed propoganda and nothing else.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10912 on: September 14, 2014, 05:44:12 pm »

So Sergarr, you really think the government taking control of the media is a good thing?
It's better than allowing random people to incite panic over things that may or may not be true. Like it is currently working in Ukraine.

Media is one of attack directions in case of war, and I don't want to leave it unprotected and vulnerable to enemy influence.

If I understand this correctly you are literally being asked to be fed propoganda and nothing else.
At least that way there won't be enemy propaganda in the state. I've had enough with pro-american propaganda in this country, and I don't want to hear it any longer.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10913 on: September 14, 2014, 05:45:16 pm »

So Sergarr, you really think the government taking control of the media is a good thing?
It's better than allowing random people to incite panic over things that may or may not be true. Like it is currently working in Ukraine.

Media is one of attack directions in case of war, and I don't want to leave it unprotected and vulnerable to enemy influence.

If I understand this correctly you are literally being asked to be fed propoganda and nothing else.
At least that way there won't be enemy propaganda in the state. I've had enough with pro-american propaganda in this country, and I don't want to hear it any longer.

Then you get an echo chamber. Nothing gets in, nothing comes out.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10914 on: September 14, 2014, 05:45:51 pm »

Such is the rallying call of everybody who hates the light of journalism. Can't maintain The Narrative with all these pesky fuckers going around telling the truth, right?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10915 on: September 14, 2014, 06:09:08 pm »

At least that way there won't be enemy propaganda in the state. I've had enough with pro-american propaganda in this country, and I don't want to hear it any longer.

And it doesn't occur to you that anything else might be possible?

Christ, Orwell was so naive!
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10916 on: September 14, 2014, 11:54:56 pm »

It's funny. As an American, I find Russian propaganda rather refreshing. It's a different perspective on the world compared to the usual race-baiting, sensationalist, hypocritical bullshit that our media spews 24/7.

In fact, Russia Today is actually a fairly reliable news source, as long as whatever they're covering has no relation to Russia. All that said, I do still pay attention to what the American media is saying, even though it is mostly bullshit. Again, perspective.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10917 on: September 15, 2014, 12:32:13 am »

I want you guys to understand one thing. Sergarr is not a typical Russian Soviet. He is a quite progressive person.  Lives in a large city has regular access to Internet and knows English

Now imagine a mindset of average citizen of Russia: Living in small town for all his life, getting all his information from Putin's television or sometimes from Russian segment of Internet

The whole generation emerged during Putin's rule(15 years)... And that generation is taught that compassion is weakness, that other nations are morally inferior, that disobeying any whim of superior is a crime. That Stalin was a great leader and generally USSR was close  to an ideal country.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10918 on: September 15, 2014, 01:15:14 am »

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #10919 on: September 15, 2014, 01:19:11 am »

for what purpose
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