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[TD1]

There are mixed and varied views on Ian Paisley. I doubt I would have supported him, but I suppose his death marks the end of an era.

On the Sinn Fein link, it may show a change in time, but I doubt very much if it's a change in opinion. What you have is politicians trying to make themselves look good.

If there were two politicians I hate, it would be them. Others, I dislike. Those two, well, I can't stand them.

[Owlbread]

There are mixed and varied views on Ian Paisley. I doubt I would have supported him, but I suppose his death marks the end of an era.

On the Sinn Fein link, it may show a change in time, but I doubt very much if it's a change in opinion. What you have is politicians trying to make themselves look good.

If there were two politicians I hate, it would be them. Others, I dislike. Those two, well, I can't stand them.

Well of course you would, given your politics.

I thought McGuinness seemed genuinely emotional at the news of Paisley's death, though. They did become genuine friends; that's been widely reported across the media for years. You can interpret it as "politicians trying to make themselves look good" but you've still got to give them credit for saying the right stuff; Gerry Adams sending out a message of solidarity and support to Paisley's family and all the rest of it. To come from bomb blasts and assassinations and riots to this is quite a change, and ultimately a credit to the peace process.

[TD1]

Well of course you would, given your politics.

No, given my politics I would dislike them. I would have nothing against them, as people.

Those two are a special case.

And yes, Sinn Fein sent out the correct response, as they are always very careful to do.

[RedKing]

FWIW, Paisley did change his ways once the shared government experiment started.

And it's not that unusual. Mandela and Thabo Mbeki were solemn at the death of P.W. Botha (Mbeki even attended Botha's funeral), and Botha remained a staunch opponent of black rule in South Africa up to his death and unapologetic for apartheid and the state security violence he authorized.

Or how most of the Arab world reacted to the assassinaton of Yitzhak Rabin (and properly so...Rabin was probably the closest we've ever come to having an Israeli PM who could deliver a peace deal and a Palestinian state).

[WarRoot]

Is there some sort of agenda here?

Ayup. Look at that post I made some pages back about the nature of this thread.

Rule of thumb: European politics is much more consensus-heavy than its American counterpart. Same thing goes for discourse, as far as I can tell.
Just... try and be a little less confrontational, and you'll fit right in.

Is this for the thread or real life?  If real life, I haven't noticed it in the Europe I live in, might have to do something with the American political advisors.

[Phmcw]

As long as London influence in Europe is weakened, I'll be a staunch supporter of Scotland independance. It weaken both the main obstacle to European federalism, and the biggest US backdoor in our system.

[scriver]

As long as London influence in Europe is weakened, I'll be a staunch supporter of Scotland independance. It weaken both the main obstacle to European federalism complete French-German domination, and the biggest US backdoor in our system.

Fixed that for you.

[LordSlowpoke]

As long as London influence in Europe is weakened, I'll be a staunch supporter of Scotland independance. It weaken both the main obstacle to European federalism complete French-German domination, and the biggest US backdoor in our system.

Fixed that for you.

feel free to leave and by such make sure that there's less counterweight for them left in the system if you don't like it m8

[Helgoland]

As long as London influence in Europe is weakened, I'll be a staunch supporter of Scotland independance. It weaken both the main obstacle to European federalism complete French-German domination, and the biggest US backdoor in our system.

Fixed that for you.

I always wonder - how can a people of 80 million that's too timid to go to war and too self-conscious to openly seek power dominate almost a whole continent of ~750 million people, including two nuclear powers?

Because, you know, the French are complaining about German dominance too.

Where are you from, anyway, scriver?

[Loud Whispers]

I always wonder - how can a people of 80 million that's too timid to go to war and too self-conscious to openly seek power dominate almost a whole continent of ~750 million people, including two nuclear powers?

Through constant pushes for "European federalization" and economical control.

Because, you know, the French are complaining about German dominance too.

Exactly.

As long as London influence in Europe is weakened, I'll be a staunch supporter of Scotland independance. It weaken both the main obstacle to European federalism, and the biggest US backdoor in our system.

See? And what are you on about, the US WANTS the UK to remain in the EU so it'll always have a backdoor, all this'll do is make sure the US is forever taped onto the EU through a fucked up U/K.

[Helgoland]

I always wonder - how can a people of 80 million that's too timid to go to war and too self-conscious to openly seek power dominate almost a whole continent of ~750 million people, including two nuclear powers?

Through constant pushes for "European federalization" and economical control.

Because, you know, the French are complaining about German dominance too.

Exactly.

All measures have to be agreed upon democratically, you know... In fact federalization would lessen German influence.

[Sheb]

Germans only dominate Europe because no one try to oppose the Übermutti and the European institutions themselves are too weak. Euro-federalism is the answer, not the cause, of German power.

[martinuzz]

Blaming the Germans is easy. They're the perfect scapegoat.
The real issue is, regardless of nationality, that most people in Europe are sick and tired of EU legislation being pushed down their throats from Brussels in a non-democratic, untransparant way, which seems mostly to benefit some big corporations, and break down social security.
People are disgusted with hearing politicians say "We can't, because EU...", and "We have no choice, because EU..." over and over and over and over.

[LordSlowpoke]

can i have some sources on the "benefiting big corporations" and "breaking down social security" parts tia

[Sheb]

Well, it's a fact that national politicians prefer to vote for something in the Council then blame the EU rather than assume their reform directly.