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[Sheb]

Oh, yeah. Anyone would be interested in a rant about the current government-in-formation with a long aside on how our Constitution has been literally turned into not-literal sausage mix over the last 10 or 20 years?

[martinuzz]

We should start a seperatist movement. Proclaim the Free Republic of the Kempen and Other Areas Where People Speak Dutch Without Breaking Their Throats On The Letter Gee, With The Exclusion Of Limburg!

[scrdest]

We should start a seperatist movement. Proclaim the Free Republic of the Kempen and Other Areas Where People Speak Dutch Without Breaking Their Throats On The Letter Gee, With The Exclusion Of Limburg!

And Steve. Fuck that guy.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

So, ceasefire with DNR and LNR (but not Russia) signed... Funniest thing that Poroshenko will claim that it is a diplomatic victory and not an outright capitulation
Not that bad actually, but I can't see how anything good come out of that

[smjjames]

Ceasefire=/= peace treaty. The Korean War never officially ended for example.

Also, isn't it now in Russia's ball court so to speak? Now that their proxies have entered a cease fire, they have to decide whether to keep fighting or to stop. Maybe Ukraine will finally declare an official war?
 
Plus it would allow Ukraine to focus all of it's resources on Russia instead of being divided between Donbass and Luhansk. Seems more like a strategic move rather than anything.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

For starters any deal with LNR\DNR is a recognition that they exist as a political entity while there are nothing but Putin's guys.

[nanomage]

D/LNR are not exactly very "netotiable with". They can break the truce at any time and never risk anything for it. Both them and Russia will always claim that it is the ukrainian side to be blamed for the ensuing fighting. They probably aren't gonne cease fire at all until Mariupol is taken. Really, it's only Poroshenko who is actually bound by the treaty.

[smjjames]

Lets just see how the ceasefire goes.

I still think that it's in Putin's court so to speak, as in it's his move now.

[Owlbread]

Ceasefires and negotiations with Russia never go well (pretty much ever) but a ceasefire and the cessation of bloodshed is of paramount importance.

Would it be possible to turn Brussels into an independent city state like Trieste once was? Let Wallonia and Flanders be independent in their own right and share Brussels when necessary. I understand Brussels is natively Flemish (now with considerable French influence) but perhaps it would work as a capital city of Europe. Then again I'd have to ask if Europe would really need a capital; I certainly don't want Europe to turn into some kind of nation.

[smjjames]

Ceasefires and negotiations with Russia never go well (pretty much ever) but a ceasefire and the cessation of bloodshed is of paramount importance.

Would it be possible to turn Brussels into an independent city state like Trieste once was? Let Wallonia and Flanders be independent in their own right and share Brussels when necessary. I understand Brussels is natively Flemish (now with considerable French influence) but perhaps it would work as a capital city of Europe. Then again I'd have to ask if Europe would really need a capital; I certainly don't want Europe to turn into some kind of nation.

The obvious answer for the capital city of Europe is Paris

*is not actually that serious.

Ideally though, the capital city would be roughly in the center of Europe, Berlin maybe? *opens up google earth* Actually, how about Munich? Kind of have to define 'Europe' first, whether or not it includes Russia, and find the center of that.

[Darvi]

Why Paris? Strasbourg is far more connected to the EU than the French capital ever was.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Lets just see how the ceasefire goes.

Most likely: Russia will happily flood the region with all they have. Why not if they will be not shot at?
Then Russia will start an advance at any moment it likes

I repeat I  see nothing good in that agreement. Big plain nothing

[Owlbread]

In virtually all empires and great geopolitical entities there is always a "home nation" or region associated with it. That region holds profound influence on the overall culture and actions of the wider entity. In the USSR, that home region was Western Russia. In the UK that entity is South-East England, so called the "home-counties" which is very telling (Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland etc are obviously not home). In the Roman Empire that home region was Rome. In the USA that home region is the East Coast. The list goes on.

The "home region" of the EU is pretty much Belgium. It works well as a home region because Belgium is very strange. There's almost no "Belgium" in truth, more like two nations stuck together like the UK; it just so happens it's a union of Romance and Germanic peoples which works splendidly as a kind of home region for the EU as it is presently i.e. before the Slavic peoples become more important. I hope Belgians here aren't too offended by me claiming Belgium doesn't exist (I'm sure it does, it obviously does in Brussels) but Belgium has always fascinated me for that reason.

Also, when I said "two nations stuck together like the UK" I do know the UK contains more than two nations, I'm just saying the relationship is similar.

Why Paris? Strasbourg is far more connected to the EU than the French capital ever was.

Strasbourg works well too. I do lean in favour of the independence of Alsace obviously so maybe Alsace would work well as another home nation of the EU. Well, "Western European Union".

[LordSlowpoke]

I certainly don't want Europe to turn into some kind of nation.

i think we agreed that if you want to leave, then do so

the main beef with the uk is that it joined and now is actively sabotaging efforts to make this whole union business not pre-whiskey insurrection america tier bullshit

it'll be a shame, but you guys never really even considered yourselves european did you

[smjjames]

Why Paris? Strasbourg is far more connected to the EU than the French capital ever was.

Strasbourg works well too. I do lean in favour of the independence of Alsace obviously so maybe Alsace would work well as another home nation of the EU. Well, "Western European Union".

I said that I wasn't being serious. Also, what about Munich? We'd have to first define what is 'Europe', whether or not it includes Russia, and find the center of that.