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[Owlbread]

were they supporting current russian actions in chechnya or punitive action against chechnya taken because of similar shenanigans russia was the victim of

this is important

Current and past Russian actions in Chechnya, if I remember correctly. I don't see it as being that important though; Russian response was completely disproportionate and callous on both counts.

[LordSlowpoke]

were they supporting current russian actions in chechnya or punitive action against chechnya taken because of similar shenanigans russia was the victim of

this is important

Current and past Russian actions in Chechnya, if I remember correctly. I don't see it as being that important though; Russian response was completely disproportionate and callous on both counts.

it's not very okay supporting what russia is doing right now

it's okay to sympathize with others who were hurt by what is perceived as the same party as oneself

because obviously all chechens are the same, but that's a tangent for another day

[Dutchling]

Are you saying they're not? Because really you're better than that.

[LordSlowpoke]

* LordSlowpoke shrugs

okay then, all chechens rook same

happy now

[Dutchling]

Spoiler: yes (click to show/hide)

[miljan]

Now that ukraine is losing from pro rusians, and is retreating, I think soon there will be some case of fire. But anyway good news, there is no more sieges of towns/bombardment with artillery, as they  all retreated.

Ukrainian army keeps shelling military targets as it always did. All cities are still in the range of our artillery

Why DNR\LNR  halted shelling of 100% civilian targets after more Russian army arrived...? Ask them

They are shelling cities, and trying to hit military targets and hitting other targets.  They stopped probably because they do not have good position to do it, and at the same time are retreating from postion from where they bombed the city as the pro ruisians are in the push.  The more they move away from the cities the better.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Russian artillery demonstrates what is bombarding villages with artillery, nowadays. Several villages ceased to exist. Same will happen with several towns, soon... Then half a million industrial Mariupol

Of cause Russian propaganda will scream - Ukrainian army....

[miljan]

And normal ukraine propaganda will scream something else,that towns they destroyed while fighting pro russians was actually russians fighting pro russians

[Sergarr]

Russian artillery demonstrates what is bombarding villages with artillery, nowadays. Several villages ceased to exist. Same will happen with several towns, soon... Then half a million industrial Mariupol

Of cause Russian propaganda will scream - Ukrainian army....

I highly doubt anything will happen in Mariupol. There hasn't been any significant movement around there since the alleged Russian invasion.

The rebels also have said that they do not want to assault/shell the city and instead will use a lot of small diversion groups.

[Mr. Strange]

Russian artillery demonstrates what is bombarding villages with artillery, nowadays. Several villages ceased to exist. Same will happen with several towns, soon... Then half a million industrial Mariupol

Of cause Russian propaganda will scream - Ukrainian army....

I highly doubt anything will happen in Mariupol. There hasn't been any significant movement around there since the alleged Russian invasion.

The rebels also have said that they do not want to assault/shell the city and instead will use a lot of small diversion groups.

Do remember that "what has been said" and "what has happened" are two different things that have had very little to do with each other in this mess since day one.

[Owlbread]

Well, it's been a long time coming for some reason but I think I've found out for definite what my anthem of independence and this campaign is going to be.

"Son, I voted Yes" - by Stanley Odd, a Scottish hip hop group. I think it's so good it should really be on a television advert of some sort.

Spoiler: Here are the lyrics if anyone can't understand what the man is saying. (click to show/hide)

Son I just wrote this
I thought you might like to know
That I chose to vote Yes
‘Cause a Yes vote provided hope
What the future’s holdin’
No-one can rightly know
Was tired of the same old script
And what’s next only time will show


I knew you'd ask at some stage
I look forward to us talking about it one day
So here’s the story of a hopeful guess
Cause you're part of the reason that I voted yes
When I was your age, we had some discontent winters
Like in the fairy tales there was a Witch of Westminster
With the power and the contrast of a comic book villain
She's passed away now but we didn’t say good riddance
‘Cause by the time she passed she was a feeble old lady
Who forgot what she was doing when she was going places
You should always treat people how you’d like to be treated
‘Cause the hurt and anger she left is deep seated
In school they stopped our free milk
It could be said in a wider context they stopped our free will
You can’t always separate feelings from cold facts
From the school bus I read graffiti saying ‘No Poll Tax’
See in 1979 people voted to control their own reality
But it didn’t happen on a technicality
Then in 1997 they said it wouldn’t work
But they supposed letting us try couldn’t hurt
Now in 2014 they asked the question
‘Do you want to be independent?’
I remember thinking, if we didn’t answer Yes
You could be 18 before they’d ask us again

Son I just wrote this

This isn’t about the colour of skin
Or where you were born, or who you call kin
It’s about pure and simple geography
And caring for everyone responsibly
It’s about people facing poverty with immunity
And building and supporting our communities
Too many people want off the path we’re following
It’s time to change how we ‘do’ politics
Responsibility and independence
Leading by example of the messages we’re sendin’
Character traits we hope for our kids one day
So why wouldn’t we want it for our country?
See the older you get the less you see things in black and white
And I’m just trying to do what I think is right
Just simply voting by Yes, the problem isn’t solved
But you can’t change the world taking no risks at all
Spin Doctors twisted strands of stories to control the plots
Like Rumpelstiltskin spinning gold from straw
Weaving threads like Charlotte’s spider web
And the trolls under the bridge became Cybermen
In a time of recession, food banks and destitution
Worldwide turmoil with very little resolution
Violence and terror as press wizards cast their best illusions
We were part of a peaceful revolution

Son I just wrote this

Some said we had our heads controlled by our hearts
But you make decisions with both by and large
As for those felt their hearts were controlled by their heads
They told the story of the goose that laid the golden egg
Meaning that sticking as we are was the safest bet
Which is basically succumbing to playground threats
And to me that just wasn’t making sense
‘Cause there’s the possibility for real change instead
They say yir home’s where yir heart is
From Oor Wullie’s shed to Doctor Who’s Tardis
But it’s also true that yir hearts where yir home is
And it won’t be that long ‘til you’re grown with yir own kids
Of course I had reservations, who didn’t?
Despite the white paper, Scotland’s future isn’t written
It’s wrong that a politician can only be the shepherd or the wolf
Cause that way they either want you for your flesh or for your wool
The biggest triumph of the 21st century state
Was to convince us that having a dream is a cliché
1% of the world has 90% of the wealth
And this system says to step on folks while helping yirself
I hope you’re hearing these thoughts with amazement
And inequity is consigned to history pages
I don’t want to see another lost generation
Rioting, frustrated and cross with their parents

Son I just wrote this
I thought you might like to know
That I chose to vote Yes
‘Cause a Yes vote provided hope
What the future’s holdin’
No-one can rightly know
Was tired of the same old script
And what’s next only time will show

[MetalSlimeHunt]

A bit long for being usable in an advertisement, but it's not difficult to understand. And the lyrics are literally being written out in the video.

[Helgoland]

Scottish hiphop? Cute~

Sounds a bit like Eminem, I dunno why.

[Sergarr]

Russian artillery demonstrates what is bombarding villages with artillery, nowadays. Several villages ceased to exist. Same will happen with several towns, soon... Then half a million industrial Mariupol

Of cause Russian propaganda will scream - Ukrainian army....

I highly doubt anything will happen in Mariupol. There hasn't been any significant movement around there since the alleged Russian invasion.

The rebels also have said that they do not want to assault/shell the city and instead will use a lot of small diversion groups.

Do remember that "what has been said" and "what has happened" are two different things that have had very little to do with each other in this mess since day one.

What part about "There hasn't been any significant movement around there since the alleged Russian invasion" is not clear to you? Do you think they would wait until the Mariupol is fully fortified if they wanted to assault it directly?

[Helgoland]

According to German media, the fortifications are largely symbolic and will have the defensive value of a fluffy pillow, and the Russians are currently working on encircling the city.