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[TD1]

"Nobody has actually been killed by these people in Britain yet."
Yes. Model citizens when that's all you can say for them.

Really, I knew our views have differed somewhat in the past, but what you're saying seems completely foreign to me now.

[Sergarr]

I call it, it is because of people like Owlbread that Europe will be conquered by Muslims.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

DNR (read Russia) open schools in a warzone tomorrow. So we will have children gathered in one place for provocations.

I have a very bad feeling about  that

[Willfor]

I call it, it is because of people like Owlbread that Europe will be conquered by Muslims.

You are wildly overestimating the amount of people who are like Owlbread. I have searched the world, and I have found only one Owlbread. There is only one, and there can only be one.

Highlander . . .

>____>;;

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The usual warhawkish right wingers have looked inwards to American soil as they have, like the American left lost the taste for war (in the majority at least).

*coughcough*

Owlbread, I'd say that the issue is not their beliefs, but that they've forsaken their old home to fight for a hostile de facto state. I understand your concerns about the establishment of thoughtcrime, and they are valid (certainly it wouldn't be the first time that elements of state power have gone ahead and lumped domestic foreward-thinkers along with The Enemy to try and get rid of both), but in this instance it is very clear what ISIS is and what their goals are. A strict, narrow process is needed, but people can be demonstrated as having worked for ISIS have exchanged their citizenship by every definition of the word.

I call it, it is because of people like Owlbread that Europe will be conquered by Muslims.

Man, I love how no American or Western European forumite would ever get away with saying things like this, but when it comes from Russian nationalists it just glazes on over.

[FritzPL]

Actually, I think it is, because then this brings up the issue of who exactly is a terrorist and who isn't and what ideologies can be proscribed and what ideologies should be promoted and all the rest of it.

Oh, okay. I'll just get my christian part of the family's armor and go fight Lucifer's kingdoms on Earth which he formed after he was defeated in heaven.

[Owlbread]

Oh, okay. I'll just get my christian part of the family's armor and go fight Lucifer's kingdoms on Earth which he formed after he was defeated in heaven.

Or indeed you could go and fight in the Peshmerga.

Man, I love how no American or Western European forumite would ever get away with saying things like this, but when it comes from Russian nationalists it just glazes on over.

It's as if we just expect Americans and Western Europeans to know better, which is pretty racist in itself and goes some way to confirming Guardian's incessant talk of how we all see the Eastern Bloc as savages.

There is one last point I would like to raise. Has anyone considered the possibility that allowing people to fight in Iraq can also work as a deterrent for some people? I have heard (don't ask me to source this, it's in the ether unfortunately) that some people coming back from Iraq and Syria are suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, due to them seeing and taking part in atrocities and rather than being radicalised they have actually turned away from Islamic extremism.

You are wildly overestimating the amount of people who are like Owlbread. I have searched the world, and I have found only one Owlbread. There is only one, and there can only be one.

Highlander . . .

>____>;;

I have been listening to the Highlander soundtrack on repeat for days now, it is amusing you would mention this.

[MonkeyHead]

... are we meant to have sympathy for them for finding acts of terror and murder difficult to deal with?

[Owlbread]

... are we meant to have sympathy for them for finding acts of terror and murder difficult to deal with?

No, you aren't meant to have sympathy for them at all. I said "Has anyone considered the possibility that allowing people to fight in Iraq can also work as a deterrent for some people?"

It's striking how many people never think that murderers can be traumatised by their own actions.

[TD1]

I doubt they're getting much media time.

On the other hand you have these big, manly men showing who is boss by killing reporters. And that message is beamed around the world.

[MonkeyHead]

... are we meant to have sympathy for them for finding acts of terror and murder difficult to deal with?

No, you aren't meant to have sympathy for them at all. I said "Has anyone considered the possibility that allowing people to fight in Iraq can also work as a deterrent for some people?"

It's striking how many people never think that murderers can be traumatised by their own actions.

I don't think that the idea of letting people go will strike people as a deterrent as the primary reaction is to do something about people going in the first instance. Its not so much that people never think about the mental effects of committing evil, its that people (often rightly) find it hard to give a shit about the negative effects caused to an individual by their own concious choices.

[martinuzz]

Anyone knows how much supply (in trucks) a typical tank battalion consumes over a day of intense fighting? I'm trying to calculate the amount of trucks which must go through the border every day to supply the Russian offensive...

You should start thinking about leaving Russia. You cynisism could well get you arrested, and sent to Siberia, or 6 feet under.

[LordSlowpoke]

Anyone knows how much supply (in trucks) a typical tank battalion consumes over a day of intense fighting? I'm trying to calculate the amount of trucks which must go through the border every day to supply the Russian offensive...

You should start thinking about leaving Russia. You cynisism could well get you arrested, and sent to Siberia, or 6 feet under.

you're really overrating this whole "russia as a police state" thing

one of the reasons i'd prefer russian to american gangsters is that the russians are pretty straightforward in telling you what you can't do and with the americans you have a list of things you can't do along with a list of what you can do, these are pretty tiny lists but you have no bloody idea what awaits you if you forget yourself for a moment and do something that isn't prescribed

[martinuzz]

Now, this bit's a bit wooly. How certain are we that it is "illegal" to fight in Syria and Iraq? Do we have specific laws in the UK or under the Geneva Convention or something that define this? Furthermore - you need evidence to prove that someone has committed a war crime. Being in ISIS is not necessarily a war crime in itself.

A lot of german Wehrmacht and even SS volunteer soldiers were largely unaware of the scale of atrocities they would commit, at the time they joined. Their action of joining, therefore, cannot be considered a warcrime. Their personal actions in the war, however, can.

Now there's a difference between the german volunteers, and IS voluonteers. The latter know darn well, that IS stands for wiping their ass with Geneva conventions, and every possible human right there is. So I would consider the action of leaving their country, with the intent to join iS, a warcrime, the minute they enter the airport / canal tunnel to take the plane / train going in that general direction.

There is a difference between fighting for ISIS and having an intent to commit a terrorist attack in Britain. Let's not get carried away here.

Is there? From all I've seen and heard of IS spokespersons, they intend to spread their califate over the entire world. Just not right now, cause they're too busy putting heads on spikes in Iraq.

If any government starts deciding what ideologies are to be proscribed and what ideologies promoted then I think we are in serious trouble - more so than from ISIS.

We did this long ago, when we signed the Geneva conventions, and human rghts declarations.
But that aside, yes, we should always be wary. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[Sergarr]

Anyone knows how much supply (in trucks) a typical tank battalion consumes over a day of intense fighting? I'm trying to calculate the amount of trucks which must go through the border every day to supply the Russian offensive...

You should start thinking about leaving Russia. You cynisism could well get you arrested, and sent to Siberia, or 6 feet under.

You're heavily overestimating the amount of fucks the Russian government gives about people posting on the Internet... especially in English language.