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[martinuzz]

Russian Tupolev bombers intercepted and escorted out of Dutch airspace twice today by F16 fighters. while they were on their way to, and returning from a UK flyover taunt mission.
Apparently that's nothing new, since the last 5 years Russia has been sending bombers over Europe a few times a year, to test NATO reaction time, and as a means of showing muscle.

[Helgoland]

You know what? Let's shoot them down next time.

[LordSlowpoke]

You know what? Let's shoot them down next time.

and then amsterdam was crater

and then world was crater

thanks helgo

[martinuzz]

You know what? Let's shoot them down next time.

and then amsterdam was crater

Doubt that. Then Putin would kill his own daughter, who lives in Amsterdam.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

You know what? Let's shoot them down next time.

and then amsterdam was crater

and then world was crater

thanks helgo

Well, you can shoot them down.... and... hmmm... Blame aliens. As realistic as usual Russian propaganda

[Sergarr]

German media report a Lithuanian diplomat to have been kidnapped and killed in Donetz. I wonder how that'll turn out.

EDIT: Terrorism. Straight-up terrorism. Start blowing up military installations in St. Petersburg and Moscow, and assassinating politicians. Attack their supply lines, and their reserve soldiers. Attrition can go both ways.

I do not advocate this course of action, but under the assumption that this conflict will be decided through military means, it seems sensible.

You know what? Let's shoot them down next time.

Do you know what directly lead into the Second Chechen war? Terroristic acts did.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Oh, you want to scare Ukrainians with a war when it is already in process? Amusing

[Sergarr]

It's currently at very low intensity. Compare it to Iraq, Vietnam, and Syria wars, and you'll see the difference.

As is, Ukraine is not currently being bombed by these. Or these.

[MarcAFK]

I don't have the link, but didn't Ukraine find Russian papers I'd etc in some abandoned armoured vehicles identifying the owners as elite Russian paratroopers ?
If you can kick them out....

[MonkeyHead]

Ukraine can only come out on top of the current situation if it is the well behaved plucky lil guy underdog in doing the right thing and standing up for itself, limiting how overt the Russian influence can be. If it were to sanction anything even slightly resembling terror attacks against Russia, it is playing into the hands of Putin, and gives a casus belli for serious escalation that the UN/NATO could do nothing about, and as a result Ukraine would find itself standing alone against a justifiable invasion. Its war is not against the Russian people, and instead is against Putin's desire to interfere.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Let's assume that tomorrow Putin starts carpet bombing Ukraine without any kind of casus beli. Do you want to say me that EU\NATO will join us in a war?

[Sergarr]

Well I would expect then to immediately start mass missile/bomb strikes on the invading army, at least. Also, Poland would most likely run to help with their tank armies.

[vagel7]

Well I would expect then to immediately start mass missile/bomb strikes on the invading army, at least. Also, Poland would most likely run to help with their tank armies.

The thing is, Ukraine isn't in NATO so Article 5 will not cover it. Whether the rest of the world would do anything to defend Ukraine is sadly questionable.

EDIT:Maybe train their troops, give intelligence assistance and probably some supplies. But that might be enough. Though I don't believe that Putin would launch a public invasion into Ukraine.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Yeah, I see direct military intervention as likely as 1980s WW3 war because of Afghanistan

[da_nang]

Is article 5 covered if invited NATO troops are shelled?