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[GrizzlyAdamz]

So what's the normal procedure for this kind of operation? I'd've figured it'd be protected by UN peacekeepers, or not at all & rely on the 'local authority's permission.

[Guardian G.I.]

The memorial complex at Saur-Mogila, heavily damaged by fighting between DNR and Ukrainian forces.
In 1943, Soviets fought the Nazis at Saur-Mogila. Who could have known back then that 71 years into the future Saur-Mogila would see fierce fighting once again. Ironically, the "Soviets" are fighting the "Nazis" once again.

Guardian, that's a steaming pile of nonsense and we've been over this so many times it hurts. There is no difference between pravy sektor and the russian nationalists apart from which nationalism they ascribe to.

All I'm going to do is ask you why whenever I've seen you take tests for MSH's political typology thread you come out authoritarian/fascist or right wing every single time? Could it be that you are far closer in ideology and outlook to the Nazis that you've spent the last year accusing (in a really annoying passive aggressive way or directly) all the Westerners and Europeans in this subforum of belongong to a modern day incarnation of? Hey, as long as there's justice and Lukasenko makes the trains run on time who cares about freedom.

Can you see the inverted commas in my post about Saur-Mogila? Actually, I was referring to the opposing parties calling the other side neo-Nazis or neo-Soviets. I didn't mean their actual ideology.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, pretty much all tests I took in MSM's thread identified me as a leftist of various degress of authoritarianism. I can't recall any tests calling me right-wing or fascist.

P.S. I always get Generalplan Ost vibes when you start to ponder about which ethnicities deserve living on some territory or another and which ones are imperialist colonizers that should be removed or forcibly assimilated for the benefit of the oppressed nations, no matter how many centuries they lived there.

[WarRoot]

Actually there isn't much difference between Soviets and Nazis. I remember something about Lenin trying to soothe his fellow commies that the Jews aren't their enemies only the bourgeois Jews. Also there was some notable Nazi guy whom made the remark that the communist supporters can be won for the Nazi cause. Plus in Hungary after WW2 many of the antisemitic right wing figures got integrated into the State Party. The list can go on.

I'm a bit lazy now to dig up the actually sources.

[BlindKitty]

Just a thought related to 'humanitarian aid' send by Russia - have anybody started saying Russian troops that big, red crosses in white circles mean that the structure/vehicle with them shouldn't be fired upon? Because I seem to recall that this was not the case for quite a long time, and ambulances were seen as one of the best vehicles to be captured by Spetznas while on enemy territory...

[Sergarr]

Actually there isn't much difference between Soviets and Nazis. I remember something about Lenin trying to soothe his fellow commies that the Jews aren't their enemies only the bourgeois Jews. Also there was some notable Nazi guy whom made the remark that the communist supporters can be won for the Nazi cause. Plus in Hungary after WW2 many of the antisemitic right wing figures got integrated into the State Party. The list can go on.

I'm a bit lazy now to dig up the actually sources.

doesn't make much sense when the one of the largest enemies of NSDAP (Hitler's party) up to 1933 elections were communists (specifically, these guys)

[10ebbor10]

Video of  the "humanitarian convoy"
Look carefully at a vehicle after 1:02. How do you think what is it?

Spoiler: Part of S-300 SAM complex (click to show/hide)

That thing is much longer ranged than Buk, so Strelok will have a chance to shot down few more passenger jets if that "humanitarian aid" will be allowed in

The S-300 does have a better FoF identification system.

[GreatJustice]

To a large degree, the original Nazis took their ideas directly from the Communists, with a lot of their rhetoric and ideology being very close to identical. Their conflicts partially came from their differences in views (specifically, the Nazis believed in "Socialism in one country for the benefit of one group of people" as opposed to international socialism) and because they were pretty much competing for the same electoral groups. The far left wing of the Nazis was mostly wiped out in the Night of Long Knives, but even afterwards the Nazis actual policies weren't too far off from what the Communists would have advocated.

[Sergarr]

To a large degree, the original Nazis took their ideas directly from the Communists, with a lot of their rhetoric and ideology being very close to identical. Their conflicts partially came from their differences in views (specifically, the Nazis believed in "Socialism in one country for the benefit of one group of people" as opposed to international socialism) and because they were pretty much competing for the same electoral groups. The far left wing of the Nazis was mostly wiped out in the Night of Long Knives, but even afterwards the Nazis actual policies weren't too far off from what the Communists would have advocated.

Except for the whole part where Nazi Germany had a free-market and was concentrated or war of ethnicities compared to communist's war of classes.

fiy these two things are seriously different.

[LordSlowpoke]

Nazi Germany had a free-market

are you sure

[Sergarr]

Nazi Germany had a free-market

are you sure

well after I read up on wikipedia some I'm not.

EDIT: also uh oh, "a speech, rich in content"?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

~Should check my sources better

[Guardian G.I.]

Video of  the "humanitarian convoy"
Look carefully at a vehicle after 1:02. How do you think what is it?

Spoiler: Part of S-300 SAM complex (click to show/hide)

That thing is much longer ranged than Buk, so Strelok will have a chance to shot down few more passenger jets if that "humanitarian aid" will be allowed in

I'm really curious, if the bloody KGB is going to smuggle S-300s into Novorossiya, how the hell are they going to disguise the launcher vehicles?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

a)Launchers can stay in Russia, but you need radars closer to engage targets better
b) If Russian humanitarian convoy will enter at night through Russian controlled border - who gonna check it?

[Dutchling]

"aid convoy"

[Loud Whispers]

I think Descan meant the "soviet vs. nazi" part, not the statue, what with all that nazi/soviet thrown around in propaganda...

Oh right. Think of the poor Lenin statues.

aren't swiss confirmed for russian allies since they refused to sanction russia along with the rest of the west
let's have argentina instead

And watch Argentina try to annex Crimea? Hilarious, but not good. And the Swiss aren't Russian allies, they're in the same boat as London in that sanctions against Russia as told by the EU would explode their banks. Hurrah for economic interdependence.

In regards to Russia possibly sending military troops under the red cross, would Putin allow such a thing? Giving rebels missiles is one thing as it is deniable and all that but sending soldiers in under the red cross is an absolute war crime which is impossible to hide.