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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7335 on: July 04, 2014, 05:55:46 pm »
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Well shit, if a printed word document with a ripped logo and in the wrong language is all you need for proof of conspiracy, then I have some people to get impeached.
Can you explain the "wrong language" part?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7336 on: July 04, 2014, 05:58:18 pm »
Quote from: Guardian G.I. on July 04, 2014, 05:55:46 pm
Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on July 04, 2014, 05:51:11 pm
Well shit, if a printed word document with a ripped logo and in the wrong language is all you need for proof of conspiracy, then I have some people to get impeached.
Can you explain the "wrong language" part?
He must've overlooked the 'RAND cooperation' part.

What I find more suspicious: The logo is horizontal, but the text isn't. Either RAND has really shitty printers, or the fake's hilariously bad.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7337 on: July 04, 2014, 06:01:13 pm »
The memo would presumably be in Ukrainian. I missed the RAND logo too, so that might explain the English. I don't know much about them though.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7338 on: July 04, 2014, 06:12:56 pm »
Quote from: Baffler on July 04, 2014, 06:01:13 pm
The memo would presumably be in Ukrainian. I missed the RAND logo too, so that might explain the English. I don't know much about them though.
If I recall correctly, Poroshenko speaks English. Untranslated documents wouldn't be a problem for him.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7339 on: July 04, 2014, 06:49:17 pm »
It's fake. English speaking people do not make their sentences like that. The excessive use of "shall be" especially.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7340 on: July 05, 2014, 03:42:04 am »
RAND are americans. But yeah, it doesn't seems true to me, and could very easily be faked.

And seriously, sending armor first inside cities?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7341 on: July 05, 2014, 04:42:24 am »
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7342 on: July 05, 2014, 05:29:05 am »
What caused it? Loss of supply lines or necessity to consolidate due to a deteriorating outlook in Slavyansk? Or consolidation due to preparation for an offensive?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7343 on: July 05, 2014, 07:52:42 am »
Post some English articles would you please?? Sure I could run them through google translate (or maybe I will, and post the translations just to bug you), but you know how google translate is.

Edit: Bask in bad google translation!

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=uk&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unian.net%2Fpolitics%2F936251-terroristyi-prorvalis-iz-blokirovannogo-slavyanska-v-kramatorsk.html&edit-text=&act=url  (though maybe I should have chosen russian instead of ukranian)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvesti.ua%2Fdonbass%2F59719-avakov-soobwil-o-begstve-girkina-iz-slavjanska&edit-text=

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fworld%2F20140705%2F1014825423.html&edit-text=&act=url (this actually came out okay.)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Frt.com%2Fnews%2F170624-donetsk-militia-leave-slavyansk%2F&edit-text=&act=url

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvoicesevas.ru%2Fnews%2Fyugo-vostok%2F2502-zayavlenie-gubareva-ob-ostavlenii-slavyanska-i-kramatorska.html&edit-text=&act=url

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcolonelcassad.livejournal.com%2F1649129.html&edit-text=&act=url

Meh, other than the first two, google translate actually did better than I thought it would.

Still, I hope I annoyed Guardian G.I. enough to get the point accross. :P
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7344 on: July 05, 2014, 08:43:11 am »
« Last Edit: July 05, 2014, 12:34:38 pm by smjjames »
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7345 on: July 05, 2014, 02:54:51 pm »
The city survived almost four months of Russian occupation...

And it is mostly intact because Ukrainian Army never used barbarous methods of war like Russia in Chechnya or Assad in Syria
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7346 on: July 05, 2014, 05:10:34 pm »
Quote from: Ukrainian Ranger on July 05, 2014, 02:54:51 pm
The city survived almost four months of Russian occupation...

And it is mostly intact because Ukrainian Army never used barbarous methods of war like Russia in Chechnya or Assad in Syria

I hear a couple of apartments got flattened or damaged, might not have been Slavyansk though.

Anyways, looks like their morale has been lost and Ukraine has also taken the nearby city of Kramatorsk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28177020

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-05/ukraine-crisis-rebels-abandon-main-stronghold-slaviansk/5574746

With Strelkov and his forces now in Donetsk, I wonder if there will end up being a power struggle for who gets to negotiate in Donetsk. If the leader of the Donetsk group of rebels and agrees to a cease fire and Strelkov pulls what he did in Slavyansk, the people in Donetsk definetly won't be happy with him.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7347 on: July 05, 2014, 06:14:10 pm »
Quote from: smjjames on July 05, 2014, 05:10:34 pm
Quote from: Ukrainian Ranger on July 05, 2014, 02:54:51 pm
The city survived almost four months of Russian occupation...

And it is mostly intact because Ukrainian Army never used barbarous methods of war like Russia in Chechnya or Assad in Syria

I hear a couple of apartments got flattened or damaged, might not have been Slavyansk though.

Anyways, looks like their morale has been lost and Ukraine has also taken the nearby city of Kramatorsk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28177020

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-05/ukraine-crisis-rebels-abandon-main-stronghold-slaviansk/5574746

With Strelkov and his forces now in Donetsk, I wonder if there will end up being a power struggle for who gets to negotiate in Donetsk. If the leader of the Donetsk group of rebels and agrees to a cease fire and Strelkov pulls what he did in Slavyansk, the people in Donetsk definetly won't be happy with him.

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There are a lot of such photos from Slavyansk and neighbouring cities floating around the Russian internet.
Villages located near rebel-controlled roadblocks (like Semenovka) were heavily shelled by the Ukrainian army and lie in ruins.
Also, the television tower at Mount Karachun was destroyed by rebel counterbattery fire.

Russian border guards at "Donetsk" checkpoint on the Russian-Ukrainian border were shelled by Ukrainian forces around 15:00 local time today (there's only a Russian link, sorry). There were numerous such incidents over the past weeks, which were always brushed off by the Russian government.
Bloodthirsty irredentist Putin continues pursuing a staunchly non-interventionist foreign policy. Quite a lot of his supporters on the Russian internet are pissed off at him because of that. Many anti-Western Russian websites like odnako.org are in a state of constant shistorm over Putin's inaction.

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Rebel IFV in Donetsk, marked "To Kiev"
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7348 on: July 05, 2014, 07:11:07 pm »
Quote from: Guardian G.I. on July 05, 2014, 06:14:10 pm
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Rebel IFV in Donetsk, marked "To Kiev"
Wait, they have modern IFVs now?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #7349 on: July 06, 2014, 12:34:31 am »
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I hear a couple of apartments got flattened or damaged, might not have been Slavyansk though.
Sure. It is far from having But if you compare that to Post-Chechen war Grozny it is almost intact

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Anyways, looks like their morale has been lost and Ukraine has also taken the nearby city of Kramatorsk.
I'd not call that panic. I see well executed regrouping. They are concentrating in larger cities.
As for morale.... Yeah, various local militiamen are panicking with seeing how real soldiers leave them behind. But they never have been an important part of Russian forces.


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Wait, they have modern IFVs now?
They have tanks, they have IFVs, they have MRLSes.
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