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[XXSockXX]

no more than we ourselves would demand that all Kentucky Fried Chicken be made in Kentucky.

Or from chicken. That was fried. Stop calling our protectionism moronic, you know how much we hate freedom here. 

[scrdest]

How do you propose should products from their original regions be marked? "Parmesan from Parma"? "Black Forset Ham from the Black Forest"?

A compromise I could get behind would be limiting the use of the products' name in the native language of their area of origin to the originals and forbidding false and misleading advertising (as in the feta example from the article).

Ninjaedit: Cow milk vs sheep milk makes a hell of a difference. Those would be completely different products.

Actually yes, I would totally have something like a Schwartzwalder Ham with a 'Made in Schwartzwald' disclaimer on it for people who want it to be authentic. Hell, think of Cheddar - the most popular cheese there is - and tell me, how many of Cheddar cheeses are made in actual Cheddar, Somerset?

People who want quality will know what to look for, and either way the price tag will reflect the difference between the real deal and the knockoff. I am 100% fine with regulation of what the product has to BE, for example if I bought a feta and found out it's a yellow cheese some incredibly oblivious person misnamed (obviously silly and extreme case), I would be pissed off.

E:

Something isn't special just because it was made in a very specific place.

Wine drinkers will disagree.

True, but then again, it's not about the place per se, but about the climate and geography. If someone made a controlled environment exactly replicating the conditions that are currently in some random vineyard in France at the same time, you could grow a grape with exact same parameters and process it to a wine that tastes the same (within the variance between bottles from the original vineyard).

[Sheb]

MSH: as I pointed out, the US already does it. You can have a board of producer trademark a locality, as in the case of Florida orange. The main difference is that different products are protected on each side of the Atlantic, because different names are generics.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Something isn't special just because it was made in a very specific place.

Wine drinkers will disagree.

Wine drinkers who go to that level of specifics are just psyching themselves out about it. It's like how Coke poured into a Pepsi can will taste like Pepsi to some people. It's fucking wine. It can vary, yes, but this idea that you must grow it in the special earth to get the special taste is definitely psychological, because there is no physical reason for it that cannot be replicated in other conditions.

MSH: as I pointed out, the US already does it. You can have a board of producer trademark a locality, as in the case of Florida orange. The main difference is that different products are protected on each side of the Atlantic, because different names are generics.

I think it's foolish in those cases as well, though mind you, Flordia oranges are in a somewhat favorable position due to there being exactly three states in the US that can reliably grow oranges. This does not, however, mean that if you obtain revolutionary greenhouse technology and start growing oranges in Maine that you can't use the common name of the food.

[Owlbread]

I believe I'm going to have to argue in favour of the EU protection thing because it's nice having a degree of international law protecting our whisky industry and making sure it stays here.

[Sheb]

Yeah, like Scotch should come from Scotland. It's just... part of what it is.

[kaijyuu]

I wouldn't mind having non-Scotland Scotch. I'm also fine with enforcing it being labeled as such.

[Owlbread]

I wouldn't mind having non-Scotland Scotch. I'm also fine with enforcing it being labeled as such.

But your economy would not be adversely affected as a result of it. Our economy would. Whisky is serious, serious business here.

[kaijyuu]

Protectionism is a rat's nest I shouldn't poke.

* kaijyuu escapes from the thread~

[GlyphGryph]

I don't read this thread so I didn't know this was an ongoing discussion here. I made a new thread for it.

I don't want to read this thread anyway, so just repeat all your points over there please.

[XXSockXX]

Something isn't special just because it was made in a very specific place.

Wine drinkers will disagree.

Wine drinkers who go to that level of specifics are just psyching themselves out about it. It's like how Coke poured into a Pepsi can will taste like Pepsi to some people. It's fucking wine. It can vary, yes, but this idea that you must grow it in the special earth to get the special taste is definitely psychological, because there is no physical reason for it that cannot be replicated in other conditions.

They would argue that through the specific minerals in the soil and the specific sun exposure, the place matters a lot, physically. Of course the grapes are the most important.
Whether people can really identify that in taste, I don't know but it seems possible. I can definitely tell different kinds of red wine apart, or even brands of bottled water or brands of cigarettes, if I'm used to the taste.

[Frumple]

I don't read this thread so I didn't know this was an ongoing discussion here. I made a new thread for it.

I don't want to read this thread anyway, so just repeat all your points over there please.

... utter aside, but this is an incredibly american post, isn't it? _{This one is too, by using american to mean the USA, haha.}

Poor europe/EU. I think I'll be rooting for you to win your cheese, now, just for the hell of it. Won't make much of a difference to me regardless, 'bout the only thing that'd be region locked (EU, anyway. Most of my fancy name stuff comes from asia or south of the border.) that I eat is parmesan, and that only rarely.

[GlyphGryph]

(I'll admit, it was a wee bit intentional. )

What really sucks about it, of course (and this is from a European perspective) is that Greece got the rights to feta, but Greek feta is shit compared to the superior Bulgarian feta.

And isn't there a different feta tradition from some northern European country that got screwed too?

[Sheb]

Cyprus lost the right to market their feta as feta too. As usual in EU matters: fuck the Greeks.

[GlyphGryph]

Why was Greece ever even let into the EU? They honestly seem like they've been nothing but trouble bundled up with a whole bunch of absurd demands and needs. You guys should kick their asses out.