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Sheb

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #3135 on: January 12, 2014, 08:51:28 am »

Well, you'll never find a party that exactly fits your views. I'm a card-carrying Green, but I think my party's policy on nuclear power and GMOs stupid and its economic policy lacking in ambition.
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« Reply #3136 on: January 12, 2014, 08:52:48 am »

So on which issues do you agree with them?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #3137 on: January 12, 2014, 08:57:57 am »

General progressive stuff, immigration, support for renewable, general economic policy (although they could be more ambitious, at least they're going in the right direction), security policy, drug legalization, institutional reform, defense policy, probably a couple more stuff I can't think of right now...
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« Reply #3138 on: January 12, 2014, 09:39:56 am »

So far, haven't found a single I agree enough with for the moment. Which is kind off strange, since we have like 7 or 8 major parties per language group, and then 20 or so smaller ones.

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« Reply #3139 on: January 12, 2014, 09:46:52 am »

I believe my European political affiliation is with the European Free Alliance.
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« Reply #3140 on: January 12, 2014, 09:52:19 am »

I kinda expected that.

Anyway, why do all these parties with mostly progressive attitudes hate nuclear. Silly populists.
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« Reply #3141 on: January 12, 2014, 09:56:35 am »

European voting thingy

This thing is infinitely useful. Praise the minds who've created this, it makes research on the people I can vote for hella easier. I mean, I have a pretty solid base to start from now. Which would usually take effort to build.

I haven't managed a clean 100% with anyone, though. :v

I kinda expected that.

Anyway, why do all these parties with mostly progressive attitudes hate nuclear. Silly populists.

green energy -> no nuclear

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« Reply #3142 on: January 12, 2014, 10:08:01 am »

Ahah, funny according to your thingy I'm siding with the socialists more than the greens. :p Actually, among French-speaking Belgian parties, the green were the last of the 4 main parties.
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« Reply #3143 on: January 12, 2014, 10:11:01 am »

FYI, that is indeed an official EU voting thingy.

Edit: Problem is, I apparently agree more with various minor French-speaking Belgian parties, than with Flemish parties.
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« Reply #3144 on: January 12, 2014, 10:16:09 am »

I wonder why the greens are against the Bologna process. That and nuclear were the two real point of contention I had with them in this thing.

Of course, this thing doesn't take into account that you don't care as much about each and every issue. Fighting climate change is much more important to me than raising maternal leave for example.
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« Reply #3145 on: January 12, 2014, 10:21:43 am »

TBH what I've seen of Bologna reforms around here has been pretty horrible so far.
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« Reply #3146 on: January 12, 2014, 10:41:08 am »

Where is that?

Some things didn't go exactly right, but having convertible degrees valid in the whole of Europe is great and outweight the rest of the problems.
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« Reply #3147 on: January 12, 2014, 11:37:15 am »

I took the test and said i was the closest match to the ECR, at a mere 67%.

As for the bologna reform, I compared it to the effects of national educational standards in the USA (being a citizen there). It's a godawful mess. Standards keep sinking, and what little is "taught" is becoming increasingly meaningless.

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« Reply #3148 on: January 12, 2014, 11:43:45 am »

But then, Bologna refer only to higher education. And it's not so much about what needs to be taught as about how to measure it so you can transfer easily from one university to another.
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« Reply #3149 on: January 12, 2014, 11:56:34 am »

erm, the problem is not having convertible degrees  (to a great extent, we had that BEFORE Bologna, btw). The problem is that Bologna is chaotic and has carried out changes in the educational programs that are pretty terrible, and I doubt very much that "standarization" outweights this. The way I hear it engineering has been hit the worst, although of that one I can only talk about the basics: the 5-year full engineering degree was suppressed, and made the technical engineering degree equivalent to the full one (which is bullshit for the ones that did the full one beforehand). As it stands now after the change, everyone does 3-year technical engineering degrees, and to get the equivalent of the full degree, they have to do a master's. The way I hear it it's a much messier affair than it used to be.

In medical school, which is a matter with which I'm more familiar, the changes have been bad as well: they reduced lecture hours in favor of practice hours, which might sound sweet and good, but is actually a terrible idea: practices in uni are, as a general rule 10% useful and 90% waste of time (and this is coming for someone who studied at an uni ranked in the top 100 by NYT, mind you. It stands to reason that elsewhere), and lecture-hours are often already saturated as it is. Reducing the latter in favor of the former  means that you'll either have to rush through the course, or make it lighter (talking with medical students both from my uni and from elsewhere I get the impression that often both take place: they complain of professors going through the study material altogether too fast, while at the same time crucial study subjects are often missing).

On the plus side, they made it official (it was already acknowledged to be as such in practice) that a medical title carries by default a master's degree, which is a good thing I guess (it'd be even better if they widened it to include those of us who graduated just before the program change. There's work being done in that regard, we'll see.).
Anyway, onto more bad stuff: postgrad medical education: there's a troncality draft that with every passing review gets worse. There are a few good ideas in it (eg: cross specialization switching), but the implementation ideas are so fucking bad (the mandatory troncality is a mess. -There *is* already a less broken troncality in play. Why can't they acknowledge that instead of putting in this stuff?-, access to the programs is chaotic, and they are overall weaker) that MIR exam aspirants everywhere breathe in relief everytime it gets delayed.

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