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[Sheb]

Still seems less extreme than the response to the Boston Bombing.

[Helgoland]

Locking random people up vs keeping all people inside their houses for a short amount of time? Doesn't look like that to me...

[Loud Whispers]

Locking random people up vs keeping all people inside their houses for a short amount of time? Doesn't look like that to me...

It's arresting large amounts of people vs martial law and lockdown of an entire city, searching room to room with paramilitary units; in both cases to look for murderers.
The former is a specific, possibly excessive response. 700 is a bloody broad number of people, and I really doubt that any of them would have had anything to do with the suicide bombers. The latter is a definite, excessive response on a city-wide scale, and I highly doubt that any of the people in the city had anything to do with the suicide bombers.

[Sheb]

My guess is they just locked down everyone that they knew had links with hardcore Islamists.

[Max White]

Well plenty of room in their prisons after the round of pre-Olympic closest clearing.
I wonder how many people this is going to provoke to become extremists...

[Sheb]

Unless we start having tales of torture coming back or if they actually send the 700 hundreds to Siberia, I doubt anyone will really care. Arresting everybody you can think of for interrogation seems like a good start if you don't have any better leads.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Sometimes, you Euroforumites really disturb me with the lack of appreciation for protection against arbitrary detainment.

[Max White]

Silly Americans with your irrational love of liberty!

[Sheb]

Difference in sensibilities I guess. I was way more shocked by the shutdown of Boston and the invasion of the city by police in Hummer with machinegun (why do the police even have machinegun?)

By comparison, arresting people for a short time seems normal. I've been to protests were everyone (Around 400 people) ended up arrested. (My slip read that I was arrested for being suspected of having the intention of committing a misdemeanor. No kidding) Spending the night in a police station is the price to pay for anything more than a peaceful, organized, authorized march.

In this context, I don't see anything wrong with the Russian state locking up everyone they know has a connection with Islamist extremists (including family of known extremists I guess) to interrogate them. As long as the interrogating is not "enhanced" and those arrested against whom no charge can be pressed are swiftly released of course.

Can't police in the US detain you for interrogation?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Can't police in the US detain you for interrogation?

They can and do, but detainment in US law is a large step below arrest. For example, my old roommate's weed shenanigans got both he and I legally detained, but in this context detainment is "you can't just walk away from the police". This can be invoked under either reasonable suspicion or probable cause. The next step up from that is arrest, and for that they either need a warrant or probable cause. If you are arrested, you can be kept in jail until a magistrate is available to formally charge you and set bail. At that point, the police can either have you charged or released. Keeping you without seeing a magistrate after that point can result in very bad things for them later on. Interrogation comes in two formats: formal and informal. Informal is a constant, police can and will try to milk you for information with everything they say and do. This is why I advocate never speaking to police more than providing your identity and invoking your right to remain silent. Formal interrogation requires you to have been read your Miranda rights and usually only occurs after arrest. The big difference between the two is that information gained in a formal interrogation can only be used against you in court, while informal interrogation can technically be used either way.

[aenri]

Yeah, I don't think there is anything wrong with the power of police to detain anybody who is suspected of commiting a criminal offence. In my country, if you are suspected you can be detained up to 24 hrs (if you were accused then 48 hrs) and then you must be released or given to court which has (48/72 hrs) to decide about your confinement. If you were wrongly detained you can demand compesation from the government.

I think the system is pretty good here, we don't really have any problems with innocent people ending up in prisons, more of the other sort of problem - there are very famous cases of criminals being released and running to foreign countries, because the courts couldn't decide on confinement (or extension of it) in appropriate time.

[Guardian G.I.]

By comparison, arresting people for a short time seems normal. I've been to protests were everyone (Around 400 people) ended up arrested. (My slip read that I was arrested for being suspected of having the intention of committing a misdemeanor. No kidding) Spending the night in a police station is the price to pay for anything more than a peaceful, organized, authorized march.

That's how our Belarusian police usually deals with unauthorized and authorized non-peaceful opposition protests.
According to EU and American media, that's incredibly undemocratic.

[Max White]

I'm not sure what most Australians would think any more. I used to think we were a civilized bunch, but since joining a left wing hippie party and being enlisted to proselytize what I was informed what a moderate suburb, I have come to believe we are a lot more racist, sexist, homophobic, greedy and in general hateful than I first thought. While I was personally horrified at the way the entire martial law thing played out, I'm thinking many of my countrymen would not see the precedent set and instead be wondering why don't our police have machine guns... In the same way I'm sure many would be happy with the idea of these Russians being locked away for good without due process.

We seem to care a lot more about enforcement than due process, after all our own government is in breech of constitutional law and nobody gives a damn.

[10ebbor10]

By comparison, arresting people for a short time seems normal. I've been to protests were everyone (Around 400 people) ended up arrested. (My slip read that I was arrested for being suspected of having the intention of committing a misdemeanor. No kidding) Spending the night in a police station is the price to pay for anything more than a peaceful, organized, authorized march.

That's how our Belarusian police usually deals with unauthorized and authorized non-peaceful opposition protests.
According to EU and American media, that's incredibly undemocratic.

I'm pretty sure this it the way the US and EU deal with protests too, with an added order of tear gas, and riot police, if needed.

[Guardian G.I.]

By comparison, arresting people for a short time seems normal. I've been to protests were everyone (Around 400 people) ended up arrested. (My slip read that I was arrested for being suspected of having the intention of committing a misdemeanor. No kidding) Spending the night in a police station is the price to pay for anything more than a peaceful, organized, authorized march.

That's how our Belarusian police usually deals with unauthorized and authorized non-peaceful opposition protests.
According to EU and American media, that's incredibly undemocratic.

I'm pretty sure this it the way the US and EU deal with protests too, with an added order of tear gas, and riot police, if needed.

Except when something similar happens in Belarus, the whole progressive mankind starts condemning the horrible violation of freedom of speech in Belarus.
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