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[10ebbor10]

The greatest argument, is in fact. The wall. Or defense barrier, as they would like you to call it.

"Israel cannot rely on a right of self-defence or on a state of necessity in order to preclude the wrongfulness of the construction of the wall". The Court asserted that "the construction of the wall, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law

[burningpet]

The only parts of the wall that are illegal are the ones not following the green line.

[Descan]

don't see any reason to drain our tax money over them nor when serving the army, patrol their settlements in the middle of the night to keep them safe only for them to spit on us and call us judo-naziz when they see us in the day

That seems very paternalistic, like they can't take care of themselves so you're being oh so self-sacrificing for them, the selfish bastards.

[10ebbor10]

The only parts of the wall that are illegal are the ones not following the green line.

Which is a significant part of the wall. And the entirety of the Gaza wall, of course. (I'm pretty sure blockading a country from any acces to the outside world is illegal.)

[Dutchling]

The only parts of the wall that are illegal are the ones not following the green line.

Which is a significant part of the wall. And the entirety of the Gaza wall, of course. (I'm pretty sure blockading a country from any acces to the outside world is illegal.)

Is Gaza a country?

[10ebbor10]

The entirety of Palestine is. Gaza is just the only part that is completely under Palestinian control. The situation is complicated however, as Gaza is under different control than the Westbank, and both are still considered occupied terretories.

[Nadaka]

I agree and most of the israelis also agree with that. we just don't see any reason to drain our tax money over them nor when serving the army, patrol their settlements in the middle of the night to keep them safe only for them to spit on us and call us judo-naziz when they see us in the day, but that still doesn't mean israel conduct in a large scale ethnic cleansing.

This is exactly how I would expect a Nazi-sympathizer to justify his inaction and complacency.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Gaza and West Bank might as well be different countries for how divided Hamas and Fatah are.

[10ebbor10]

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Let's leave Godwin out of this, shall we. Don't want the thread locked.

[burningpet]

gaza is a whole different story. there is a reason it is blocked, and that reason is called hamas. before the ruling of hamas, gaza had an almost free access of goods and workforce. hamas made us close that by deliberate injection of firearms and suicide bombers through the gates because of a very simple reason. money. the smuggling tunnels are a VERY profiting source of income for hamas. a single tunnel generate tens of thousands a dollars a day. hamas would never let go of his hostility because it knows that opening the gates (like it used to be before hamas) would make them lose their money and hence their power.

Also, not all of gaza is walled by israel, egypt is also responsible for their part of it. why aren't they opening it?

In the west bank, the majority of the wall is exactly over the green line.

Descan - what? you think the settlers could survive less than a day without my tax money or military protection?!

[Descan]

Which settlers? Palestinian or Israeli?

i'd rather there not -be- any Israeli settlements in non-Israeli, Israeli-occupied territories.

[Nadaka]

...we just don't see any reason to drain our tax money over them...

Descan - what? you think the settlers could survive less than a day without my tax money or military protection?!

This is a direct self contradiction.

[10ebbor10]

gaza is a whole different story. there is a reason it is blocked, and that reason is called hamas. before the ruling of hamas, gaza had an almost free access of goods and workforce. hamas made us close that by deliberate injection of firearms and suicide bombers through the gates because of a very simple reason. money. the smuggling tunnels are a VERY profiting source of income for hamas. a single tunnel generate tens of thousands a dollars a day. hamas would never let go of his hostility because it knows that opening the gates (like it used to be before hamas) would make them lose their money and hence their power.

There's a giant hole in this story. Who buys stuff from the tunnels? Gaza's economy is completely and utterly bankrupt. Power's out (Powerplant was bombed), There's no water(pumps require power)and no possibility of export.

[burningpet]

Which settlers? Palestinian or Israeli?

i'd rather there not -be- any Israeli settlements in non-Israeli, Israeli-occupied territories.

What? since when palestinians are called settlers? of course i was talking about the israeli settlers!

Nadaka - nope. please, either read again, or fix your logic. its not sound.

10ebbor10 - http://www.salon.com/2012/02/27/smugglers_tunnels_are_hamas_lifeblood/

"While tensions between the various factions within Hamas have long been rumored, until now the organization has been fairly good at managing such tensions in private. What explains the Gaza wing’s decision to so publicly disagree with its external leadership? The Rafah tunnel trade — and the considerable amount of revenue (estimates range as high as $20 million per month) that the Gaza Hamas wing derives from it — offers a clue as to why."

I can provide further links. anyway, gaza strip is in an utterly shit situation, but its not devoid entirely of money, it still gets foreign aid, also in the form of money.

There is power in gaza, israel provide it.

[10ebbor10]

According to wikipedia^{Most reliable source ever} the power delivery was cut of concurrent with the bombing of the plant.