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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1020 on: July 30, 2013, 07:43:57 pm »

... far less reasons to, though. Not that there's really notable amount of reasons to invade Russia, either.* Canada's already got a free trade agreement with the states. Occupation'd just be more or less a political formality, not so much an economic one. There wouldn't really be a reason to bother.

So... don't worry, Descy. Your joint's already under the stars n'stripes jackboot. It's just, y'know, formal wear instead of an actual jackboot.

Something like that, anyway. I've already been awake long enough my head's going fuzzy.

*There's much less expensive means of control to use, after all.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1021 on: July 30, 2013, 07:48:40 pm »

It'd be faaaar easier to invade and occupy, and plunder, Canada than Russia, for sooo many reasons.
Wait a minute, I've thought you guys were already American puppets, and that Commonwealth membership is just a disguise.
What natural resources do you have that Russia does not?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1022 on: July 30, 2013, 07:50:54 pm »

It'd be faaaar easier to invade and occupy, and plunder, Canada than Russia, for sooo many reasons.
Wait a minute, I've thought you guys were already American puppets, and that Commonwealth membership is just a disguise.
What natural resources do you have that Russia does not?

Maple syrup, eh?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1023 on: July 30, 2013, 08:07:23 pm »

I think Canada has easier to get resources and more uranium.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1024 on: July 30, 2013, 08:08:49 pm »

I think Canada has easier to get resources and more uranium.
IIRC Australia has a whole lot more uranium. So if anyone needs some liberal application of FREEDOM it's the aussies.

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« Reply #1025 on: July 30, 2013, 08:10:18 pm »

Am I the only one who still thinks that World War III is very likely to happen in the foreseeable future?
WWII didn't happen with nukes around. Even amongst the new emerging powers, none would be so bold or so foolish as to go stirring the international kettle. It'd take something like a resource crisis to start, but a resource crisis in itself would be enough to be a candidate for "end of the world," or at the very least the end of industrial civilization.
Many Russian sources claim that American economy is so screwed that the American government is actively trying to provoke other countries into starting World War 3 or other major war in order to profit from arms sales World War I-style, or planning to invade, occupy and plunder some country full of natural resources (like Russia). Otherwise, the American economy would soon collapse and the US would be plunged into chaos.
Well that's just silly. Modern wars cost way, way, way more money than one could ever recoup from arms sales or resource occupation. Wars hemorrhage money, one is far better off making an investment that isn't likely to be literally blown up.

Not to mention that there would be no global economy after a WWIII scenario, what with the nuclear winter.

Your sources sound like conspiracy theorists to me.
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« Reply #1026 on: July 30, 2013, 08:15:19 pm »

Metal you have any Idea how many cold war surplus the US has? They need some way to get rid of this stuff before it gets to old.
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« Reply #1027 on: July 30, 2013, 08:57:34 pm »

Am I the only one who still thinks that World War III is very likely to happen in the foreseeable future?
WWII didn't happen with nukes around. Even amongst the new emerging powers, none would be so bold or so foolish as to go stirring the international kettle. It'd take something like a resource crisis to start, but a resource crisis in itself would be enough to be a candidate for "end of the world," or at the very least the end of industrial civilization.
Many Russian sources claim that American economy is so screwed that the American government is actively trying to provoke other countries into starting World War 3 or other major war in order to profit from arms sales World War I-style, or planning to invade, occupy and plunder some country full of natural resources (like Russia). Otherwise, the American economy would soon collapse and the US would be plunged into chaos.
Well that's just silly. Modern wars cost way, way, way more money than one could ever recoup from arms sales or resource occupation. Wars hemorrhage money, one is far better off making an investment that isn't likely to be literally blown up.

Not to mention that there would be no global economy after a WWIII scenario, what with the nuclear winter.

Your sources sound like conspiracy theorists to me.
On a technicality, the money has to go somewhere.
Someone profits from the arms sales... yes?
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« Reply #1028 on: July 31, 2013, 02:48:01 am »

I think Canada has easier to get resources and more uranium.
IIRC Australia has a whole lot more uranium. So if anyone needs some liberal application of FREEDOM it's the aussies.
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« Reply #1029 on: July 31, 2013, 05:52:26 am »

While the money does go somewhere, and arm merchants do benefits, from the US point of view this is far less than all the stuff you loose by virtue of it being blown up by the arms you just sold.
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« Reply #1030 on: July 31, 2013, 06:17:01 am »

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Go to Portugal, I hear they have huge stockpiles of uranium and oil and weeping eagles. What ever you need. Just not here.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1031 on: July 31, 2013, 08:14:25 am »

Am I the only one who still thinks that World War III is very likely to happen in the foreseeable future?
WWII didn't happen with nukes around. Even amongst the new emerging powers, none would be so bold or so foolish as to go stirring the international kettle. It'd take something like a resource crisis to start, but a resource crisis in itself would be enough to be a candidate for "end of the world," or at the very least the end of industrial civilization.
Many Russian sources claim that American economy is so screwed that the American government is actively trying to provoke other countries into starting World War 3 or other major war in order to profit from arms sales World War I-style, or planning to invade, occupy and plunder some country full of natural resources (like Russia). Otherwise, the American economy would soon collapse and the US would be plunged into chaos.
Well that's just silly. Modern wars cost way, way, way more money than one could ever recoup from arms sales or resource occupation. Wars hemorrhage money, one is far better off making an investment that isn't likely to be literally blown up.

Not to mention that there would be no global economy after a WWIII scenario, what with the nuclear winter.

Your sources sound like conspiracy theorists to me.
Firstly, these Russians sources claim that America can simply print more money to cover the costs of prolonged war. According to them, US dollars are not pegged to anything (instead, all other currencies are pegged to dollar), so 'murricans don't fear inflation.
Secondly, these Russian sources point at American economic recovery following the Great Depression and World War II and claim that America is trying to provoke a full-scale conventional war (presumably, far away from own borders) in order to recover the struggling American economy with military contracts.
In my opinion, it's unclear how (or where) will 'murricans produce all the weapons for the war effort in case of an economic mobilization. Most of American industrial capacities are already located in China or elsewhere.
Thirdly, those Russian sources claim that where war cannot be won easily, America is financing human rights organizations and liberal opposition movements in order to overthrow the government and set up an American client state (or to throw the country into chaos, so China and Russia couldn't invest into it).
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« Reply #1032 on: July 31, 2013, 08:31:04 am »

Human rights organizations. Truly the most terrifying and militant of adversaries. I'd be scared too.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1033 on: July 31, 2013, 08:31:20 am »

I think Canada has easier to get resources and more uranium.
IIRC Australia has a whole lot more uranium. So if anyone needs some liberal application of FREEDOM it's the aussies.
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« Reply #1034 on: July 31, 2013, 08:39:56 am »

Firstly, these Russians sources claim that America can simply print more money to cover the costs of prolonged war. According to them, US dollars are not pegged to anything (instead, all other currencies are pegged to dollar), so 'murricans don't fear inflation.
Secondly, these Russian sources point at American economic recovery following the Great Depression and World War II and claim that America is trying to provoke a full-scale conventional war (presumably, far away from own borders) in order to recover the struggling American economy with military contracts.
In my opinion, it's unclear how (or where) will 'murricans produce all the weapons for the war effort in case of an economic mobilization. Most of American industrial capacities are already located in China or elsewhere.
Thirdly, those Russian sources claim that where war cannot be won easily, America is financing human rights organizations and liberal opposition movements in order to overthrow the government and set up an American client state (or to throw the country into chaos, so China and Russia couldn't invest into it).
Well, your Russian sources are quite simply wrong.

The first point belays a total lack of understanding concerning economics. USD is pegged to a few currencies, but not even remotely enough to make what you are describing. And this isn't a cure for inflation. It might slow inflation, if one is being generous. The dollar has been plenty inflated, and will likely continue to be.

Military contracts weren't the source of the post-WWII boom, it was massive spending resultant from the end of the largest war in human history. And demonstrates a profound lack of history, considering that the USSR saw similar growth to the USA in this time period.

As for the third, I say again, conspiracy theorist logic. Yeah, the human rights organizations of the world are all secretly puppets of the US government. Sure. Even when some of them are acting against (Corporate) American interests.
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