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[vagel7]

coming back to this whole thing, aren't the separatists hella conservative i mean they shouted stuff like eurosodom etc.

if i didn't do a bit of research beforehand and find out they're legit stupid i'd justify this as a stealth insult

The irredentists (especially in Crimea) love to call their fight a fight against "Fascists" in Kiev, despite agreeing with pretty much every single part of Fascist doctrine. Idiot leftists who just want an excuse to attack US foreign policy are selectively blind to this.

Pretty much! It actually seems that no matter where pro-Russians start a riot or protest or whatever, then they call everybody from the west a fascist. No matter how liberal the country is. The "anti-fascists" actually represent fascism to the T or have strong traits of fascism.

[Mr. Strange]

coming back to this whole thing, aren't the separatists hella conservative i mean they shouted stuff like eurosodom etc.

if i didn't do a bit of research beforehand and find out they're legit stupid i'd justify this as a stealth insult

The irredentists (especially in Crimea) love to call their fight a fight against "Fascists" in Kiev, despite agreeing with pretty much every single part of Fascist doctrine. Idiot leftists who just want an excuse to attack US foreign policy are selectively blind to this.

Pretty much! It actually seems that no matter where pro-Russians start a riot or protest or whatever, then they call everybody from the west a fascist. No matter how liberal the country is. The "anti-fascists" actually represent fascism to the T or have strong traits of fascism.

Now all Putin and friends are missing is to re-establish Soviet Union with it's methods and ideologies to fight backward elements of Russia that want to drag Russia back to communism...

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Well, Ilarionov, a former advisor of Putin, said that Putin's  ambition goes far beyond recreating USSR and he wants to regain all "Russian" territories. Including Finland and Poland.

Luckily failure in Ukraine will make all that less likely. Yeah, Ukraine 2014 is one huge failure for Putin. Why I think so?  He got way less than he wanted. One thing that pleases me most: He lost war for Ukrainian souls, huge majority of Ukrainians will not fight for Russia... WW3 will be not like WW2, WW1, Napoleonic wars, Russian-Turkish wars, Russian-Swedish war and many more wars were millions of Ukrainians died for Russian interests. This time most of Ukrainians will be on the right side

[LordSlowpoke]

there is no such thing as a righteous war

this is a very basic concept

you of all people should understand it, what with saying millions of ukrainians died for no good reason

[Loud Whispers]

there is no such thing as a righteous war

Nazis

[LordSlowpoke]

there is no such thing as a righteous war

Nazis

well finally somebody said the nazis were righteous i've been looking to get rid of this

* LordSlowpoke quickly removes swastika shirt

* LordSlowpoke dumps it on loud whispers

* LordSlowpoke runs the fuck away

have fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

[Loud Whispers]

Right, somebody's getting smacked. You've havin a right liberty if you think you're gonna give me your damn nazishirt.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

S.2277 - Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014. Wow. Just wow
 
Way more than I expected. It is a project and it is not passed yet. I hope it will

Spoiler: cool part (click to show/hide)

EC. 202. SANCTIONS TO ADDRESS CONTINUING AGGRESSION OF THE RUSSIAN
              FEDERATION TOWARD UKRAINE.

    (a) Imposition of Sanctions.--
            (1) Imposition of sanctions if russian forces do not
        withdraw from crimea.--If the armed forces of the Russian
        Federation have not withdrawn from Crimea (other than military
        forces present on military bases subject to agreements in force
        between the Government of the Russian Federation and the
        Government of Ukraine) by not later than the date that is 7
        days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President
        shall impose the sanctions described in subsection (b) with
        respect to--

Not refrain from escalating situation further, not stop supplying militants in Eastern Ukraine, not pull forces from Ukrainian Eastern. Pull forces away from Ukrainian territory now or some of your "minor" companies will be sanctioned:

Spoiler: neat list (click to show/hide)

(A) Sberbank;
(B) VTB Bank;
(C) Vnesheconombank;
(D) Gazprombank;
(E) Gazprom;
(F) Novatek;
(G) Rosneft;
(H) Rosoboronexport;

               
Largest banks, natural gas and oil exporting companies, defense industry.... I was sure that it will start with very minor companies.

Spoiler: another intriguing part (click to show/hide)

SEC. 301. MILITARY ASSISTANCE FOR UKRAINE.
    (a) In General.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law
limiting the assistance to be provided under this section, beginning on
the date following the date of completion of the assessment required by
subsection (b), the President is authorized to provide to the
Government of Ukraine upon that Government's request, as appropriate
and in a manner consistent with the capabilities and needs of the armed
forces of Ukraine identified in such assessment, the following defense
articles, services, and training:
            (1) Anti-tank weapons and ammunition.
            (2) Anti-aircraft weapons and ammunition.
            (3) Crew weapons and ammunition.
            (4) Small arms and ammunition, including pistols,
        submachine guns, assault rifles, grenade launchers, machine
        guns, and sniper rifles.
            (5) Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles.
            (6) High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles.
            (7) Inflatable boats.
            ( Body armor.
            (9) Fire control, range finder, optical and guidance and
        control equipment.
            (10) Explosive disposal and improvised explosive device
        detection equipment.
            (11) Mine detection equipment.
            (12) Chemical, biological, radiation, and nuclear
        detection, testing, and protection equipment.
            (13) Communications, logistic, combat support, medical
        equipment, rations, specialized equipment, and other defense
        articles, services, and training requested by the Government of
        Ukraine that the President determines to be appropriate.
    (b) Required Assessment.--No later than 15 days after the date of
the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall conduct an
assessment, or complete any ongoing assessment, of the capabilities and
needs of the armed forces of Ukraine and shall ensure that it
includes--
            (1) an assessment of the releasability of the equipment set
        forth in subsection (a), equipment requested by the Government
        of Ukraine, or equipment that may foreseeably be requested
        based on the current state of the armed forces of Ukraine; and
            (2) an assessment of the need for, appropriateness of, and
        force protection concerns of any United States military
        advisors to be made available to the armed forces of Ukraine.
    (c) Authorization of Appropriations.--There is authorized to be
appropriated to the Secretary of State $100,000,000 for fiscal year
2014 to carry out the activities set forth in subsection (a).
    (d) Authority for Use of Funds.--The funds made available pursuant
to subsection (c) for the provision of defense articles, services, and
training may be used to procure such assistance from the United States
Government or other appropriate sources.
    (e) Provision of Assessment to Congress.--Not later than 7 days
following the completion of the assessment required by subsection (b),
the President shall provide such assessment to the appropriate
congressional committees.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

The military assistance to Ukraine is likely to be amended to nothing or be made into a separate bill. Most of that I can see having large bipartisan support besides that part. Don't ask me why, I'm not the one who would disagree with it. Just for ease of passing it'll probably be made into a straight sanction-Russia but this time it'll actually have teeth.

[mainiac]

Of course the US will sanction Russia.  That's been a given for a long time.  The real question is whether Ukraine can achieve the kind of lasting growth that will allow them to claim victory in the economic long game.

I feel like Russia's government is going to start acting as if it's a victim if that happens.

start?

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Ukraine wants its military dolphins back. Hold onto your seats, this is going to be WW3.

[smjjames]

Lol Mictl (hope you don't mind me calling you by that shortened name).

[10ebbor10]

Meanwhile, the EU has intensified preparations for sanctions. It appears we might handle this a bit faster than Northern Cyprus, but don't get your hopes up.

[Sergarr]

there is no such thing as a righteous war

this is a very basic concept

you of all people should understand it, what with saying millions of ukrainians died for no good reason

But you don't understand! Russia is the country of Pure Evil! It is the Final Boss which the civilized world must wipe out in order to achieve it's ultimate destiny: fracturing into thousands of countries bases on even microscopic differences!

[Descan]

As opposed to what the Russian destiny is: Thousands of wildly disparate groups brought together in unity under one of those thousands of wildly disparate groups.

Russian isn't an ethnicity, or a culture, or a group! Anyone can be Russian!... You just have to act exactly like the ethnicity, culture, or group known as Russian. :I