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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5985 on: May 27, 2014, 01:34:29 pm »

Like lack of knowledge ever stopped anyone from voting. :p More seriously, as 10ebbor10 said, it helps breed interest into politics.
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« Reply #5986 on: May 27, 2014, 01:34:54 pm »

I still don't get why the whole world doesn't switch to mandatory voting.

Evidence of legitimacy?

I don't want people with no interest in or knowledge of politics to vote.

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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« Reply #5987 on: May 27, 2014, 01:51:03 pm »

Or to argue from the other perspective, people have a right not to care.

Also it's not only the uninterested politically apathetic people that don't vote, it's also the ones that don't feel represented by any party and don't want to waste their vote on a protest party. Or the ones that don't care about certain elections.

I have thought about not voting myself quite often, since I don't feel particularly represented by any party. I'm interested enough in politics that I always vote in state/national/European elections, usually by the "lesser evil" principle, sometimes strategically, but I have skipped local elections occasionally, when I really don't care which incompetent idiot becomes mayor or something.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5989 on: May 27, 2014, 01:54:43 pm »

Well, you have every right to put in a blank ballot if you don't want to vote.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5990 on: May 27, 2014, 01:57:21 pm »

I can't help but notice the greens growing in strength, stepping over the maimed body of the lib dems to rise further. It seems the greens will slowly and steadily grow to surpass all until one day we wake up in fear to find our new prime minister is a wind turbine.

Seems I also missed coverage of the EU general elections here and on the news. Proper funny reactions all round.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5991 on: May 27, 2014, 02:01:41 pm »

I wonder what would happen with a merging of British and American politics.

I can't wait to see the Green Tea Party.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5992 on: May 27, 2014, 02:03:15 pm »

I wonder what would happen with a merging of British and American politics.

I can't wait to see the Green Tea Party.

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« Reply #5993 on: May 27, 2014, 02:04:19 pm »

What I would add to democracy: vote against someone. Some kind of -1 vote

If we have some party A that is loved by 30% and hated by 50% and party B that is loved by 20% and hated by 5%. In that case, IMO, party B should have more political weight than party A
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5994 on: May 27, 2014, 02:05:59 pm »

The other advantage is that if you have mandatory voting, the government is also forced to ensure that everyone can vote. That's no evidence in some locations, especially for some groups (senior citizens with limited movement). Anyway, what you get now is that in a non-mandatory voting system, it's the extremist parties that get disproportionate representation.

I mean, just compare the results.

In Belgium, our local Eurosceptic separatist party got 20% of the vote in the Federal elections, and just 17% in the European elections. Meanwhile UKIP got 28% of the vote in the European elections, despite only getting 17% of the vote in the concurrent local elections. Yes, I know the local elections didn't occur everywhere in the country, but they're a good indicator and IIRC, UKIP really doesn't do well in Scotland.

Speaking of which, the UK should get rid of First past the Post voting as well. It's a horrible system.

What I would add to democracy: vote against someone. Some kind of -1 vote

If we have some party A that is loved by 30% and hated by 50% and party B that is loved by 20% and hated by 5%. In that case, IMO, party B should have more political weight than party A
It exists, it's called preferential voting.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5995 on: May 27, 2014, 02:06:39 pm »

What I would add to democracy: vote against someone. Some kind of -1 vote

If we have some party A that is loved by 30% and hated by 50% and party B that is loved by 20% and hated by 5%. In that case, IMO, party B should have more political weight than party A

Works fine until a significant number of people vote negative - then you end up with some kind of anti government with the smallest negative score.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5996 on: May 27, 2014, 02:07:39 pm »

I wonder what would happen with a merging of British and American politics.

I can't wait to see the Green Tea Party.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5997 on: May 27, 2014, 02:10:23 pm »

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I think you mean seppuku.

... Though, a nation-wide game of sudoku would be... interesting.
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« Reply #5998 on: May 27, 2014, 02:11:57 pm »

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I think you mean seppuku.

... Though, a nation-wide game of sudoku would be... interesting.

Suddenly, Asian immigrants are in demand for their superior numeracy skills. Stop UKIP today - a vote for sudoku makes sense!

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« Reply #5999 on: May 27, 2014, 02:13:20 pm »

Vagel, I'll have to look over those in a bit. Glancing at this one (only one that addresses any of the technical issues at first glance) I do have to ask if this is an official government site or some other establishment? Because if that were a British government site someone would be getting fired...

Speaking of which, the UK should get rid of First past the Post voting as well. It's a horrible system.

Don't see this happening for a long time after the referendum went down. Even getting a second bite at AV seems unlikely, let alone a more proportional system that most of the reform groups would like to go for.
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