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[LordSlowpoke]

i believe that what he said wasn't as exaggerated as it seems it would be, as i've myself heard a story of a person who attended a single meeting of a right-wing party being subject to a week of house arrest...

but then, let's wait for a swede.

but then, this might not be the best forum to actually get a swede from. liberal bias and all that vOv

e: the hell is up with the scrolling on that site i do not even things

[scriver]

It's complete and utter bullshit and hyperbole.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

It's complete and utter bullshit and hyperbole.

I must say it's not a very informative answer.

The state enforces their experimental progressive agenda by starting early to shape it inhabitants. Today – as a part of the governmentally regulated school plan – a chief function of the public schools is to erase gender identity. They do this by forcing boys to play with dolls, and girls to play with cars and guns. Even calling a boy “boy” and a girl “girl” is viewed as obsolete.

The state wants every schoolfunction to refer to every person with the made up and so called “gender neutral” word “hen”. Hen is made up by the radical feminist think tanks that are an influential part of the Swedish establishment. The use is similar to the praxis “citoienne” in revolutionary France, or “comrade” in the communist states.

That for example. Is that just a fairytale from him?

Swedish State Television shows information programs for the Swedish youth – 13 to 16 – on how to have sex with immigrants and disabled.

Or that?

Some politicians propose mandatory day care for two year olds.

What about that?

[kaijyuu]

I hope it's not a fairytale because all those things you quoted sound awesome.

(with a few exceptions like "forcing" kids to play with certain toys)


EDIT: I never thought about it before, but education about physical disabilities in relation to sex sounds like a good idea. Someone without use of their legs, for example, could require extra accommodation to ensure both parties are satisfied.
Maybe not mainstream education but someone could probably write a book about it.

[scriver]

I hope it's not a fairytale because all those things you quoted sound awesome.

(with a few exceptions like "forcing" kids to play with certain toys)

There's been one school like that and it was a private school (or pre-school, or whatever you call it). That parents choose themselves to let their children go to. Apparently having such a choice is bad somehow.

I could go into how most of the points are wrong or deluded if you want me too, but I won't do it on my phone. Suffice to say that Nordisk Ungdom ("Nordic Youth") is just another white power group like the rest of them.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Swedish State Television shows information programs for the Swedish youth – 13 to 16 – on how to have sex with immigrants and disabled.

Or that?

That doesn't even make any sense as a criticism. I could see how a heavily disabled person might need a guide on how to have sex, but "how to have sex with immigrants"? What?

[XXSockXX]

I'm not from Sweden, but judging from my own country I'd say, while there is a core of truths in this, the guys interpretation of these truths is extremely distorted and biased.

The state enforces their experimental progressive agenda by starting early to shape it inhabitants. Today – as a part of the governmentally regulated school plan – a chief function of the public schools is to erase gender identity. They do this by forcing boys to play with dolls, and girls to play with cars and guns. Even calling a boy “boy” and a girl “girl” is viewed as obsolete.

The state wants every schoolfunction to refer to every person with the made up and so called “gender neutral” word “hen”. Hen is made up by the radical feminist think tanks that are an influential part of the Swedish establishment. The use is similar to the praxis “citoienne” in revolutionary France, or “comrade” in the communist states.

That for example. Is that just a fairytale from him?

The true core of this is that most western European countries try to make their formal language more gender neutral. We may not go as far as Sweden does but every language is different, so there are different problems and different ways to do that. The part about this being like calling people "comrade" is bullshit.
What we do is replace non-gender neutral words with gender-neutral ones, partially simply because it saves paper to not have to type words for both genders. Universities for example refer to students as "Studierende" (=people who are studying) now, instead of "Studentinnen und Studenten" (=female and male students). The male form used to be the generic one, but that would not only be discriminating to females, it would also be inaccurate since female students tend to be in the majority.

Swedish State Television shows information programs for the Swedish youth – 13 to 16 – on how to have sex with immigrants and disabled.

Or that?

That sounds like bullshit. It might be sex education (interpreted in a biased way), a reality show or just some stuff he made up.

Some politicians propose mandatory day care for two year olds.

What about that?

That is not unheard of. However you have to emphasize "Some" and "propose". We have a similar debate (about extending non-mandatory daycare possibilities), with the pro argument being that mothers can work more if their children are in daycare and that immigrant children will learn German easier if they are more exposed to it. This is however controversial and by no means guaranteed to become law.

[smirk]

Swedish State Television shows information programs for the Swedish youth – 13 to 16 – on how to have sex with immigrants and disabled.

Or that?

That doesn't even make any sense as a criticism. I could see how a heavily disabled person might need a guide on how to have sex, but "how to have sex with immigrants"? What?

Well, that one's pretty easy. Immigrants and other lesser species have strange physiologies and odd customs. If you're gonna properly train your kids in how to be socialist sex hookers, they'll need to know these things.

EDIT: Socks posted what I wanted to, only far more eloquently. So I'll leave it at a bad joke.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

There's been one school like that and it was a private school (or pre-school, or whatever you call it). That parents choose themselves to let their children go to. Apparently having such a choice is bad somehow.

Thanks. No need to say more, when the guy allows himself to lie like that he is a proven lair and all his further words worth nothing. One private school and governmental program aren't even close.

Someone without use of their legs, for example, could require extra accommodation to ensure both parties are satisfied.
Maybe not mainstream education but someone could probably write a book about it.

I never required any book.
*considers writing one using his own experience*

[Tjoh]

IIRC there was an animated "sex instruction" film where one of the boys was coloured.

The "han hon" or "hen" started when the teachers of a kindergarten somewhere used "hen" (pronoun that does not imply gender) instead of han (him) or hon (her). Started a crapstorm in the media that lasted for a few months.
Most people just think the whole thing is silly.
Saying that it is in any way like "comrade" is incredibly idiotic.
The part of the toys is something they have pulled out of their asses.

The thing about mandatory daycare is not anything I remember hearing about. Mostly there's discussion about if the paternity leave should be as long as the maternity leave.

But yeah, Nordisk Ungdom is a bunch of xenophobes that think only "pure" swedes and other scandinavians should be allowed in sweden.

[scriver]

It's complete and utter bullshit and hyperbole.

I must say it's not a very informative answer.

The state enforces their experimental progressive agenda by starting early to shape it inhabitants. Today – as a part of the governmentally regulated school plan – a chief function of the public schools is to erase gender identity. They do this by forcing boys to play with dolls, and girls to play with cars and guns. Even calling a boy “boy” and a girl “girl” is viewed as obsolete.

The state wants every schoolfunction to refer to every person with the made up and so called “gender neutral” word “hen”. Hen is made up by the radical feminist think tanks that are an influential part of the Swedish establishment. The use is similar to the praxis “citoienne” in revolutionary France, or “comrade” in the communist states.

That for example. Is that just a fairytale from him?

Swedish State Television shows information programs for the Swedish youth – 13 to 16 – on how to have sex with immigrants and disabled.

Or that?

Some politicians propose mandatory day care for two year olds.

What about that?

I apologize, Ranger, I missed your post before. For those quotes in particular:

1. "The State" enforces nothing such at all. The only schools that have had any form of gender-neutral agendas have been private schools or local initiatives in individual schools. Schools and daycare centers have very high self-determination here, which is yet another reason "the State" can't enforce anything. It's not the way the system works here.

As for "hen", it is simply a suggestion from a minority of people that it be used, and hardly anybody uses it. As for the word itself it is just a gender neutral third person pronomen as we only hqve genderbound such otherwise for people ("han" and "hon" for people - as you can see "hen" is just a variation of those - respectively "den"/"det" for objects and non-human beings). It has absolutely no similarity to "comrade" and "the State" gives absolutely not a single shit about whether anybody uses it or not. And once again, the national government does not have that kind of power to govern such things. And frankly, even if it was true, a simple addition of a gender-neutral pronomen would be a ridiculous thing to go full moral panic over. So yeah, it's just a fairytale.

2. I have no idea what this is even about. Yes, SvT makes programmes for teenagers, both "educational" and not. Yes, some of them are about sex and relationships, because that's something teenagers tend to be extremely interested in. I can easily imagine an episode of such a show focusing on how handicapped people have sex (and like MSH said, the part about immigrants doesn't even make sense) - in fact that's a thing I'd myself be interested in hearing of. I don't see anything wrong with that or why they shouldn't. And once again, these are just on the tele like any other shows about relationships and sex. And there's a lot of those shows, you know.

3. "Some politicians" is a cheap and meaningless statement in this most likely means "a few individuals, somewhere", so of course I can't say there's nobody in the whole of Sweden advocating mandatory day-care, but it's certainly not a common sentiment and the only big party I could see even thinking of making it party policy is Vänsterpartiet, which is as the name implies the left-most party in the Riksdag, and if they actually could get a majority of their own party to support it and then somehow make it into a bill suggestion it would never survive a Riksdag vote anyway. This is just the extremist right bring outraged at people having different opinions than what themselves. "People are proposing stuff we don't like? AHMAGAWD!!! The HORROR!" Yup, that's a sure sign of the fall of our Swedish democracy and culture, all right. People having different opinions.

I apologize again if the post seems too hostile, I get "enflamed" easily and have trouble not letting it influence my writing. It isn't meant against you or anybody in particular, so I hope you don't take offense.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

scriver Heh as I said no detailed was required   One proof that he is a lair is enough. Thanks anyway

Also, why should I be offended? Yep. I have right ideology views but I very well understand what kind of rights exist around I may disagree with liberals, socialists and others but I hate 14\88* kind of rights. And it looks he is from that kind of group

*read racists

[10ebbor10]

Actually, wether you create more constituencies or not wouldn't give you more influence. What would give you more influence is the fast that A) MEP from Scotland would feel Scottish rather than British (focusing more on your needs) and B) that small countries in the EU are overrepresented. You currently have 6 MEPs. I don't want to actually compute how many MEP you'd get after independence, but Finland got about the same population as Scotland and has 13 MEPs.

European MP's are voted based on degressive proportionality, so yes, small countries are overrepresented. However, this all decided by treaty, so you compute how many MEP's you'd get. There's no formula.

[Sheb]

Yeah, but 12-13 MEPs seems about right, so by that metric Scotland's influence in the EU would double upon independence.

[10ebbor10]

Well, the previous distribution was decided by the UK, so...