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[Descan]

That sounds very Daily Fail (or the German equivalent) to me. I'd need to see a pretty reputable source, like BBC or the German state department equivalent before I'd trust it.

"MIGRANT FLOOD MAKES *YOU* TAKE A PAY CUT" et al.

[Sheb]

Yeah, it's hard to imagine something more designed to upset the German public, and Merkel ain't known for that.

[smjjames]

Russia sheneinighans: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/24/politics/syria-russian-fighter-jets/index.html Did you guys REALLY think you could dodge our sattelites, HA! Not like we would have shot down your jets or anything.

Anyways, gotta wonder what the heck Russia is planning on doing down there.

Same thing as what US is doing. Help in fight against isis and support their side in the conflict. Also make sure west/israel and few others dont do anything funny, similar what they did in libya.

In reality 20 something planes cant do anything important, and the anti air equipment is something that syria already has, and I dont think russia will move bigger forces there (that would actually have a impact on the conflict), as it would be very expensive for them.

Nah. My bet is that they are there because its a convenient place to have presence in for someone who wants to play a superpower, challenge US interests(or rather, the interests of one certain US ally in the area, that is actually NOT Israel) and have great, free PR for their weapons and other hardware they'd like to sell to places like India, China, Egypt, Syria and as soon as the embargo is lifted, Iran. The word is that the Russian naval base at Tartus will have Chinese visitors soon... And the greatest thing about this military presence is that they can control its amount. Syria simultaneously is not a super important ally, does not border Russia, yet for now is unlikely to lose the civil war and/or Tartus so they can pull out whenever they want. Syria does not even control many of its own oil fields or ways to export their products from the country any more. ISIS does. The whole expedition may cost the Russians mostly fuel, spare parts and human lives... All of which I guess they have plenty of.

Is it wierd that I read Tartus as Tartarus for a brief second? I was fast reading the whole thing, lol.

[mainiac]

I've heard recently some talk that Germany will have to lower the minimum wage because of the immigrants.

Christ, I hope not.  The slow growth of German wages is one of the reasons that European trade is so imbalanced right now.

[Sheb]

Also, I though Germany had no minimum wage?

[mainiac]

I seem to recall they recently added a federal minimum wage, but for a long time they have had industry specific minimum wages.

[miljan]

Russia sheneinighans: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/24/politics/syria-russian-fighter-jets/index.html Did you guys REALLY think you could dodge our sattelites, HA! Not like we would have shot down your jets or anything.

Anyways, gotta wonder what the heck Russia is planning on doing down there.

Same thing as what US is doing. Help in fight against isis and support their side in the conflict. Also make sure west/israel and few others dont do anything funny, similar what they did in libya.

In reality 20 something planes cant do anything important, and the anti air equipment is something that syria already has, and I dont think russia will move bigger forces there (that would actually have a impact on the conflict), as it would be very expensive for them.

Nah. My bet is that they are there because its a convenient place to have presence in for someone who wants to play a superpower, challenge US interests(or rather, the interests of one certain US ally in the area, that is actually NOT Israel) and have great, free PR for their weapons and other hardware they'd like to sell to places like India, China, Egypt, Syria and as soon as the embargo is lifted, Iran. The word is that the Russian naval base at Tartus will have Chinese visitors soon... And the greatest thing about this military presence is that they can control its amount. Syria simultaneously is not a super important Syria , does not border Russia, yet for now is unlikely to lose the civil war and/or Tartus so they can pull out whenever they want. Syria does not even control many of its own oil fields or ways to export their products from the country any more. ISIS does. The whole expedition may cost the Russians mostly fuel, spare parts and human lives... All of which I guess they have plenty of.

Actually Syria is very important ally bouth for russia and iran and iraq. Is something close to your border or not doesnt matter. Russia is moving with big steps back on global politics where west in the past did whatever the fuck they wanted.

And comments like spare part, fuel and similar are very naive looking, as everything costs money, from logistics to supply, and the bigger it gets, more expensive it will be.

[Sheb]

Apart as a leverage point for negotiation with the West, what does Russia gain from Syria as an ally?

[Sergarr]

Apart as a leverage point for negotiation with the West, what does Russia gain from Syria as an ally?

Weapon sales? I once heard that 80% of their military stuff is bought in Russia.

[Erkki]

Russia sheneinighans: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/24/politics/syria-russian-fighter-jets/index.html Did you guys REALLY think you could dodge our sattelites, HA! Not like we would have shot down your jets or anything.

Anyways, gotta wonder what the heck Russia is planning on doing down there.

Same thing as what US is doing. Help in fight against isis and support their side in the conflict. Also make sure west/israel and few others dont do anything funny, similar what they did in libya.

In reality 20 something planes cant do anything important, and the anti air equipment is something that syria already has, and I dont think russia will move bigger forces there (that would actually have a impact on the conflict), as it would be very expensive for them.

Nah. My bet is that they are there because its a convenient place to have presence in for someone who wants to play a superpower, challenge US interests(or rather, the interests of one certain US ally in the area, that is actually NOT Israel) and have great, free PR for their weapons and other hardware they'd like to sell to places like India, China, Egypt, Syria and as soon as the embargo is lifted, Iran. The word is that the Russian naval base at Tartus will have Chinese visitors soon... And the greatest thing about this military presence is that they can control its amount. Syria simultaneously is not a super important Syria , does not border Russia, yet for now is unlikely to lose the civil war and/or Tartus so they can pull out whenever they want. Syria does not even control many of its own oil fields or ways to export their products from the country any more. ISIS does. The whole expedition may cost the Russians mostly fuel, spare parts and human lives... All of which I guess they have plenty of.

Actually Syria is very important ally bouth for russia and iran and iraq. Is something close to your border or not doesnt matter. Russia is moving with big steps back on global politics where west in the past did whatever the fuck they wanted.

And comments like spare part, fuel and similar are very naive looking, as everything costs money, from logistics to supply, and the bigger it gets, more expensive it will be.

What is naive is thinking money played a great role in the decision to go there. It clearly didn't; Russia should enough issues with its economy already, yet shows no sign of cutting military expeditures. What it has aplenty of, before running out of money that, is troops and weapons. Thats what they've been acquiring the past half a decade plus, just like the Saudis.

Syria is allied to Iraq?

Also again, the "Russia vs. West" rhetorics. Is Russia supposed to be some kind of a counter balance to this "West"? (in its own propaganda, perhaps)

Apart as a leverage point for negotiation with the West, what does Russia gain from Syria as an ally?

Weapon sales? I once heard that 80% of their military stuff is bought in Russia.

Yeah, although it is unknown to me how much longer Syria will be able to remain a customer. They've likely bought stuff for debit for some time already. Also, the naval base at Tartus.

[miljan]

Apart as a leverage point for negotiation with the West, what does Russia gain from Syria as an ally?

Negotiation point against west as you said, a economy ally ( they already are, but this will take time if they win to rebuild), a part of military (port) and political influence over that area. Its not as important as lets say ukraine, but still a important part.

[Loud Whispers]

When a man is tired of Manchester, he is tired of life.

i cri evertim

[mainiac]

Apart as a leverage point for negotiation with the West, what does Russia gain from Syria as an ally?

Weapon sales? I once heard that 80% of their military stuff is bought in Russia.

80% of their foreign military purchases sounds about right.  But Iran produces a lot of stuff domestically and doesn't waste money on foreign weapons it's military doesn't know how to use properly like Iraq or Saudi Arabia.

[miljan]

What is naive is thinking money played a great role in the decision to go there. It clearly didn't; Russia should enough issues with its economy already, yet shows no sign of cutting military expeditures. What it has aplenty of, before running out of money that, is troops and weapons. Thats what they've been acquiring the past half a decade plus, just like the Saudis.

Syria is allied to Iraq?

Also again, the "Russia vs. West" rhetorics. Is Russia supposed to be some kind of a counter balance to this "West"? (in its own propaganda, perhaps)

It actually did play a role as you do not see huge forces moving there, so money always pays a role. There is no sight of cutting military because economy is not going as bad as it seems in west medias. Again troops and weapons, everything costs money, doesn't matter do you have that equipment or not.

Yes Iraq is not a full out  ally to syria but more to russia, from military support, buying weapons and similar. And in this crisis iraq is getting very close to countries involved with ISIS problem. So yea, it was my wrong the way I worded it

Yes, russia and several other countries are counter balance to west, as they always where and probably will be in long future.

[Sergarr]

Apart as a leverage point for negotiation with the West, what does Russia gain from Syria as an ally?

Weapon sales? I once heard that 80% of their military stuff is bought in Russia.

Yeah, although it is unknown to me how much longer Syria will be able to remain a customer. They've likely bought stuff for debit for some time already. Also, the naval base at Tartus.

From the same source, I've heard that Syria has got some extra large loans (1+ billion $) from Iran recently. So they'll probably remain a customer for as long as Iran is willing to bankroll Syria.

(new axis of evil: russia-syria-iran)

EDIT: fixed up the fucked up quote.