Just because there's a bit of London called 'Little Gaza Strip', it doesn't mean anything. We have our immigrant communities here in the US too, like Chinatown in San Fransisco, or even various Little Italys. Heck, theres even one in my hometown of San Diego.
It does mean something when they refuse to speak English, let alone be British
The thing is in our China town, the people there follow our law courts. When you're running Shariah courts in lieu of British courts, you can't even be said to be part of the same nation. Like a little Islamic Liechtenstein
A good point that shows that we shouldn't have a problem with Islamic immigration - I assume you're talking about the murder of Lee Rigby in 2013, which was committed by two men who were raised as Christians and converted to radical Islam when they were adults. Or are you saying that we shouldn't allow black people into the country?
So the rape gangs, infiltration of schools, mosques, charities and islamist clerics means nothing? K
Also I love that rational: You don't like Islamism, therefore you hate black people
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I don't even see black as a valid descriptor, it's just some label sold to Americans who cannot understand the difference between African Americans, Nigerians, Somalians or South Africans.
I'm not convinced that terrorism from muslims is all that common in the UK, despite us having a lot of people from Muslim countries, especially Pakistan.
More Britons joined ISIS than our reserves or the Kurds, cadets set on fire and people murdered. Britain's done so well so far because of our great internal security systems; the planned memorial attacks, the 2011 planned suicide bombings, the planned car bombings - all never got to the point of execution because the people planning them were arrested or killed by British security.
Terrorism is one of the things that usually makes the front pages and racist groups make a huge fuss over high-profile crimes committed by certain minorities.
Pardon if I do not share your nativity when self-described soldiers of Allah plan to kill Britons for Islam is worth more than just a fuss; because the large presence of violent extremists is the forefront of many supporters who will steadily gain more political power.
That's why you see lots of noise online about the Rochdale case but much less about other news stories involving white paedophiles such as this recent one.
Now that's a new one! Hahahahaha, people who are against the needless rape of thousands of children are only so because they're racist. First off, white means nothing - Poles, English, French, Germans, Russians, Jews - they are not the same. Second off you clearly don't live in Britain if you missed out on how every single headline went through the Savile rings or that one libdem MP who raped his work experience students, so nah. Third off you can't keep out criminals born in your country,
you can keep out criminal migrants. Background checks, migration controls - these very basic things would mean that we get the best migrants who want to contribute to society and not just prey on the weakest members of it. Bloody hell, it cannot be understated just how colossally angering the Rotherham rape gang scandal is though, because it is endemic to all of England, was covered up by Councillors and policemen trying to promote "harmony" and resulted in thousands and thousands of girls raped - and the rape gangs still fucking operate. This is why I laugh, because Daily Mail headlines have become reality.
You can find examples of horrific crimes committed by pretty much any sizable group of people, and crime tends to be higher among poor people so it's easy to smear disadvantaged minorities, who tend to be poorer, as being violent or criminal.
There is no reason these people need your defence or even need to be in this country. If this is a result of them being poorer why are you a proponent of mass immigration to create an immigrant working class to pay for old people's pensions when it's just clearly going to result in a rise in criminal activity? These views are contradictory.
My personal experience is that I've met dozens of people of African or Asian descent who were born in the UK, have mixed groups of friends, respect other religions, and are thoroughly British and utterly non-violent.
And I grew up in the immigrant districts and still live in the immigrant districts where the majority of violent crime is done by Africans and the majority of violent sexual assaults is done by south-Asians. My friends hail from everywhere from Sub-Saharan Africa and the Cape to the Indian Sub-Continent and the Tibetan Plateau, and just about everywhere to be honest. I've known rich people with summer homes five times the size of my own, I've known poor people who lived in the blocks of council estates like termites trying to get by. I've been friends with North London Jews, Central London Jordanians, East London Arabs, Southeast London West Africans, Southwest English and Northwest Orientals. I've known Sunni and Shia, Ashkenazi and Sephardi, Anglican and Catholic, Orthodox and Atheist; labour and libdem, tory and UKIP, gay and asexual, whatever - Every point of the compass you name it and I've culturally enriched the fuck out of it. Were I still progressive I'd probably dye my hair green and prance around on the streets chanting diversity.
Maybe where you live is very boring. My grounds are much more fun, there are Islamist preachers proselytizing for ISIS, where there were once Peckham and Bermondsey boys stabbing each other there are mostly just rich Chinese people, suspicious slavs and African gangs and on the north side of the river South Asian gangs. Even when I roam around England I still see funny shit like one of my friends having all the metal in his roof torn out by Romanians. I like the nice, and I also see the bad - there is no reason why the bad deserve any place in Britain.
That includes muslims, including some very devout ones.
In fact, I've only met one muslim who was prejudiced, and he was quite well integrated - a non-violent, clearly British man who wasn't even very religious, just anti-semitic. I've had far more experience of racism and violence from white, British people who didn't seem to be muslims.
Where do you live if you don't mind me asking? Feel free to ignore this if you'd rather not.
Just because two people converted as adults to a rare extremist form of Islam and committed a murder two years ago only shows that there's a tiny proportion of psychotic nutjobs out there. There are violent extremists of all kinds, including plenty of right-wing, white, anti-islamic ones.
And I can't deport them! To simplify things, cucking their shit up is not done with immigration controls, it is done through state education.
But, I could be wrong. Maybe Islam does make people violent, but I'm not going to casually take people's word for it without serious evidence.
*Islamism, not Islam.
Are there statistics from a reputable neutral source such as university researchers, using recent UK data, correcting for social factors like poverty, that shows that muslims are more likely to be violent or criminal? If so, then do provide a link as I'd be interested to read that.
I'm not too concerned with that, moreso that Islamism is gaining traction as a political force in Britain that is also pushing Sunni Islam to extrmes, and also in Britain. I said it before in one of my great walls of text that from my experience and the statistics there is a generational gap in how fundamentalist Muslims are, older generations aligned more with the friendly man who carves you more kebab whilst younger generations aligned more with the friendly man who carves you into kebab. I cannot find up to date statistics of reliable nature as to how things are now, but I imagine the trend has continued. The most recent reliable stats I can find come from 2006:
Nearly a third of 16 to 24-year-olds believed that those converting to another religion should be executed, while less than a fifth of those over 55 believed the same.And this was before things blew up in Syria and after a decade of time has passed, which is unhelpful as the lack of polling means I cannot see whether ISIS has helped or hindered Islamism in the UK.
If you ask me, raping 11 year olds and bricking your nan is morally reprehensible, but does not compare to the far greater national threat of subversion; the lads chanting behead those who insult the religion of peace are hilarious up until they become teachers - and I'm not just talking about in the schools (though certainly, the schools are an obvious target). The Brummies in Ham learned that when they took over the schools, children as young as six were being taught that western women were ‘white prostitutes’. Non-Muslim pupils were excluded from doing things their muslim peers could, including go on a trip to Saudi Arabia. Anti-Christian chants were being encouraged in morning assemblies as well as plenty of Jewish devilry slogans. In one primary school, music was banned, along with raffles, tombolas and other ‘un-Islamic’ activities. Girls and boys were segregated and taught different curriculum, religious education became mandatory, the children were taught unquestioning obedience (the most grievous insult to Western curiosity!) and everything was viewed through the lens of a particular hardline strand of Sunni Islam. We've had whistleblowers from British Muslims who have been here long before all newcomers worried that nutjobs are taking control of the next generation's minds, like in 2007 when a Muslim teacher revealed to the public that Muslim textbooks were being used to teach children such wondrous things like Christians are apes and Jews idol worshippers (unsurprisingly, the textbooks were Saudi Arabian).
I feel like Western Progressives have this big problem of trying to ignore problems until they are too large to deal with, and then trying to deal with them with solutions which will no longer work. Sort of like how the immigration crisis would never have happened if they had not destroyed Europe's borders, and when it still could've been solved with borders, they were only implemented after hundreds of thousands already arrived giving the worst of both policies. Same way after Islamists declared that old British Muslims had been too secular and compromising on such discardable things as humanism and democracy and then a decade later we find Wahabists eliminating dissidents in our own schools and regular talks of Jihad in our Universities. I imagine after ISIS fighters have rooted themselves deeper in their home countries people will begin scratching their heads puzzling how did this happen when from day one the Islamists have been kind enough to post some really well-written instructions on exactly what they want to happen and how to get it done
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