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Helgoland

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2055 on: November 11, 2013, 06:39:31 pm »

What quality would that be?

☼Humanity☼
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(But yeah, I was trying to say "If there's going to be violence, it's better these guys get killed than these guys get killing." Not advocating unprovoked street warfare here ;) )
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2056 on: November 11, 2013, 06:42:44 pm »

So the general consensus is that if you must have violence it might as well be against the violent people... So Helgoland is promoting self harm!  >:(

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2057 on: November 11, 2013, 06:45:05 pm »

"I don't always condone violence, but when I do, it's against people I don't like."
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2058 on: November 11, 2013, 07:08:16 pm »

For a controversial statement, it's pretty universal. Pacifists are covered, I mean they never advocate violence so "I don't always" means "I never" in their case. And I don't know of anyone who wants violence toward people they DO like...

Therefore, humanity is controversial, QED.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2059 on: November 11, 2013, 07:11:27 pm »

(But yeah, I was trying to say "If there's going to be violence, it's better these guys get killed than these guys get killing." Not advocating unprovoked street warfare here ;) )

"If there's going to be violence, it's better these guys get killed than these guys get killing."

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Yeah, I'd just be repeating myself at this point.

Update on the shooting: Guardian says 2 dead, 1 injured [hospitalized] and 1 fled successfully. Some people in Golden Dawn are telling the government to get out after this, in addition quite a lot of media is owned by people with ties to Golden Dawn members so expect an attempt to boost polls by martyring the victims and waving them on a stick to hit the opposition with. 'Better' is not a word I would have anywhere near a sentence with 'kill' in it, unless it was to do with the effectiveness of =menacing copper spikes=.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2060 on: November 12, 2013, 08:51:03 am »

I doubt that this was just an untargeted "let's shoot the guys who hang out there" kind of crime; the shooters were of course targeting foot soldiers instead of the higher-ups, no doubt, but they were shooting people who were part of the 'conflict' (if we want to call it that already). Not a nice thing to do, but a far cry from just shooting up random people in the street.

Talking of random people shooting up in the street: The drug abuse/HIV situation in Greece appears to be pretty bad. Some months ago I even read (in a German paper) that addicts have started using the needles that are lying around on the pavement, simply because they don't care any more. I'll see if I can dig up that link...


EDIT: Found that link.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2061 on: November 12, 2013, 08:57:44 am »

Found that link.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2062 on: November 13, 2013, 12:17:15 pm »

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« Reply #2063 on: November 14, 2013, 05:10:11 am »

British politicians managed to impress me today. If they hadn't such a reputation for incompetence - imagine how much malice that would rise suspicions of.
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« Reply #2064 on: November 14, 2013, 05:12:05 am »

British politicians managed to impress me today. If they hadn't such a reputation for incompetence - imagine how much malice that would rise suspicions of.
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The irony, IT BURNS.
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« Reply #2065 on: November 14, 2013, 10:23:06 am »

British politicians managed to impress me today. If they hadn't such a reputation for incompetence - imagine how much malice that would rise suspicions of.
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The irony, IT BURNS.

He's a Tory*, what do you expect?

*admittedly, could be applied to the noun Labour, Lib Dem or politician, too...
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« Reply #2066 on: November 14, 2013, 04:43:03 pm »

The Labour Party put forward a motion to remove the Bedroom Tax from Scotland. The SNP and Plaid Cymru put forward a similar proposal earlier this year but I believe it was unsuccessful because of the lack of Labour support; at that time Labour weren't even sure if they were going to keep it.

Now they've made it their main election issue, especially in Scotland (though we don't have the powers to actually do anything about it here) and haven't stopped banging on about it for months. The SNP have stated unequivocally that they will remove the tax when we become independent, Labour leave it as a general election issue. Anas Sarwar, deputy leader of the Scottish Labour Party and one of the high heid yins down in the Westminster group, regularly accuses the SNP of not doing enough about the tax and even brought a fake prop of a Bedroom Tax document to a debate with Nicola Sturgeon (seen here, it's worth seeing by the way). I would genuinely recommend watching that to get a taste of the debate in Scotland and the way things are going. It's quite accessible, perhaps for those watching from abroad too.

Back to the vote. All of our Lib Dem MPs voted against the motion (including Ming Campbell) or abstained. All of the SNP MPs (though there are few of them) voted in favour of the motion to remove the tax, same with Plaid Cymru. What then of the Labour Party? What then of Anas Sarwar? 25% of the Labour Party's Scottish MPs didn't turn up for the vote, including Gordon Brown (who accidentally called himself an "ex politician" at an international conference recently, despite being sitting MP for Kirkcaldy), the little streak of excrement known as Douglas Alexander, the empty, soulless husk known as Pamela Nash and the abominable, war mongering, semi-articulate ghoul Jim Murphy. Mr. Sarwar joined them in abstaining.

Their excuse? They have some kind of pairing system in Westminster, unofficial of course, with the Tories where they mutually agree that they will abstain from voting on an issue where it is obvious it would be defeated (you know, they cancel each other out) so they don't have to go to Parliament. Saves time, means they don't have to sweat the small stuff (it begs the question why they get 60 grand a year for being in opposition). Therein lies the rub however. This system is only permitted with respect to issues that are not of "Great National Importance". Obviously Scottish Labour do not consider this to be an issue of great national importance.

The strong left in Scotland are up in arms at this and are launching campaigns against Anas Sarwar himself. The Labour Party are squirming, but the press is simply not reporting this issue. There was only one article in the last week on this subject, in the Daily Record, which did not mention Labour at all, only the "cowardly Lib Dems". The biased media at work in Scotland.

As a point of interest, it has become clear that Anas Sarwar may just be the most despicable of all Westminster Labour politicians, and that's including walking atrocities like Ian Davidson. The reason for this is that despite receiving a £64,000 a year salary (roughly $100,000) for being mouthy on television and not bothering to turn up for votes, he is actually claiming £60,000 a year in expenses. I have no idea how he justifies that. All I can say is the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, his corrupt MP dad who's left to become governor of Punjab this year would probably be quite chuffed.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2067 on: November 14, 2013, 05:26:44 pm »

I wish people would stop referring to it as a tax.  Being given less benefits isn't the same as a tax.  Taxes are when you give money to the government for the benefit of the nation/ the government steals money from you (delete as appropriate for your worldview).
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #2068 on: November 14, 2013, 05:35:20 pm »

I wish people would stop referring to it as a tax.  Being given less benefits isn't the same as a tax.  Taxes are when you give money to the government for the benefit of the nation/ the government steals money from you (delete as appropriate for your worldview).

Well, its pretty much the same.
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« Reply #2069 on: November 14, 2013, 07:19:52 pm »

Isn't it the case that the entire "bedroom tax" aspect of the original Reform Bill refers specifically to reduction in housing benefit, and in order to receive housing benefits one must already be defined as poor or otherwise needy? From what I can see, you can only qualify for Housing Benefit if you pay rent, you're on low income and your savings are below a certain level i.e. £16,000.
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